Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

[TealTraybake]

Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

I've reported them. I don't believe they're a genuine poster, they're deflecting with questions and answering nothing, and I think what a PP said about fishing for rage bait for other sites is accurate as has been the case many times. I've made MNHQ aware of this. They're trying to trap people into saying anything they can twist into being incriminating and we know some people on the other sites are doxxing happy.

Baby awake. Gtg. Will leave this thread with this

Look forward to you posting your earlier answer, as you said you would

Why have you failed to respond to my points that

privacy, dignity and safety is not the same thing as validation

and that

privacy, dignity and safety are not compatible with being in a state of undress in the same changing room as the opposite sex cos everyone concerned has eyes

and that

there are vouyerism laws in place which still exist but women are being prevented from enforcing them - partly out of fear - because of the cloak of trans.

We CAN still provide privacy, dignity and safety in the workplace for transpeople but this does not necessitate the use of women without their consent to enable this and to force them to validate.

Ultimately your position comes down to this NOT being about privacy, dignity and safety of transpeople at all. You believe that women should be forced to validate, and that you will bully, intimidate, emotionally blackmail and guilt trip by any means available to you to enable this.

WE SEE YOU.

This is a mens rights position. The right to force women to do things against their will.

This is so fast moving, I'm way behind but a question for Piggle where they have asked about the safety of a TW using male spaces.

Why does it always seem to fall on women to make sure that transwomen's rights/feelings/wants are adhered to but yet again, men are not required to adjust their behaviours to accommodate transwomen? i.e. if the TW runs the risk of being beaten up as a result of using a men's urinal, rather than deal with the male attitude/violence/discrimination towards the TW, the TW demands the women's space and we must roll over and say ok?

No answer to 'what is a transwomen' either.

Funny that

So therefore it’s ok for women like you to equally tell trans people that their privacy, dignity and safety doesn’t matter?

How does a separate space that caters to their needs result in a loss of privacy, dignity and safety?

Lack of validation tools, human shields and women to exert power and dominance over perhaps?

That's the one. And funnily enough the TRAs don't respond to this, even when they asked for evidence of men saying they're trans to make women uncomfortable. They're given a perfectly clear example and ignore the post.

Piggle thinks a third space would out transwomen thus violating their privacy and potentially their safety too, to which I would say what about the women who feel this way about males in their spaces?

Well I would hope that we don't actually need to make it a criminal offence to use a single sex space for the opposite sex when an alternative space is available, but it's an interesting question.

It would debunk the "we just want to pee" line once and for all though.

That's not what that poster was saying, They were saying transwomen would be perfectly safe in the men's.

Piggle doesn't think hard enough and doesnt want to use other areas of applicable employment law.

Piggle just wants women to bend over and take it.

Yes, fill in the blank with something other than "to use the women's changing rooms" and then we'll listen.

But I'm tired of listening to reasons why they need to make women feel unsafe and uncomfortable by entering women's spaces where women are getting undressed.

No, they don't. A want is not a need. And frankly only a complete pervert would want to make women feel uncomfortable by forcing them to get undressed in the presence of a male stranger.

I think realising the world, and Mumsnet, doesn't revolve around your every thought might be helpful for you. I'm not memorizing your every post
You presumably do know what you think, so maybe stop playing tedious games and just say.

Sorry just popping back on as I had a thought. How about we have two sets of facilities for women and girls ? Since there are many of us who don’t consider trans women and girls a threat to our safety and dignity?
One could be a trans inclusive space and the other could be a space for women and girls who feel unsafe around trans women and girls . A bit like this hospital arranged with the locker perhaps?

You’ve reported me?

We do have two sets - men and women.
It's worked for years until those promoting predatory values decided women didn't deserve that safety.

A male with a cock and balls is not a 'trans woman'.

Any male with a cock and balls is no less a threat than any other male with a cock and balls.

Now before gutlessly fleeing with your tail between your legs, how about you have the guts to answer the questions before you, instead of being such a cowardly cliche and fleeing when you've been well and truly shown up for a fool.

yes you.

what is a trans woman?

And frankly only a complete pervert would want to make women feel uncomfortable by forcing them to get undressed in the presence of a male stranger.

This is the bottom line and ultimately we all know this.

It is more than possible to help men with dysphoria feel more comfortable without impacting women's spaces. We all know this too.
So the question is, why are people advocating for the perverts to get what they want? At the expense of women. How do you justify that?

A male without a cock and balls, is still a male, to be clear.

Sorry, I haven't RTFT so this may already have been mentioned but there is a petition on this:
CitizenGo petition

Are you going to answer the questions?

If not, that is trolling.

So your big idea is a third space?

Women yes.

Girls. Problematic due to legal liabilities of the institution to protect those under 18.