Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

Isn't it rather unsanitary commuting to work in a uniform intended for a supposedly sterile environment?

Then travelling home, possibly even visiting supermarkets, in clothing that's spent the day in a hospital setting?

Because if you prioritise the women and girls you are protecting a hundred people and if you prioritise the trans woman you are protecting one person.

You could protect them all if the trans person would accept a solution which didn't involve compromising the safety and dignity of a hundred women and girls, but if they can't do that and they reject reasonable alternative solutions such as a third space then quite frankly I feel that we have done our bit to try and help them and if that's not good enough then they can fucking lump it.

So basically, you're on the thread expecting people to engage with your disingenuous questions while refusing to offer even the most basic explanation of your own opinions. It's a tad narcissistic, don't you think?

So not being outed is more important than the privacy and dignity of women? Maybe they should embrace who they are! To be honest, it's obvious most of the time anyway.

I don't believe the vast majority of trans people are in any danger of being "outed" anyway, much as we must all pretend.
Women are not obliged to keep men safe at the expense of their own safety. It's that simple.

Of course they are worthy of respect and consideration.

But not at the expense of women. They have no business being in women's changing rooms or toilets.

who or what is this vulnerable trans woman vulnerable to/from?

Interesting that you write
he is trying to get his wife pregnant.... walks about in his undies with visible manhood..... he is a vulnerable trans woman.

No one is saying anything other than they are not women.

If they insist on being in places which are single sex for the safety & dignity of women in the knowledge that this is without consent, makes women uncomfortable and unsafe and excludes women who can’t share spaces with males for any reason, then I’d think they were acting with typical male privilege & displaying predatory behaviours.

Plenty of trans women respect women’s boundaries , I don’t think much of ones who don’t. It’s a choice not to.

I'm noticing a pattern that trans people's privacy, safety and dignity must be protected at all costs, at every turn, no matter what, but women's privacy, safety and dignity is fine and dandy to be sacrificed if it suits males, and we should just suck it up for "the greater good."

Because if you prioritise the women and girls you are protecting a hundred people and if you prioritise the trans woman you are protecting one person.

So their safety and dignity isn’t as important as other people because they are a minority group?

they can fucking lump it

So their safety and dignity doesn’t matter to you after all? They can just “fucking lump it”?

Does women's safety and dignity matter to you at all?

Stop deflecting
what is a trans woman?

WHY DOES RESPECTING THEIR SAFETY AND DIGNITY REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO UNCONSENTING NAKED WOMEN?

If men don't feel safe using male facilities, they need to take that up with the rest of the men.

The answer to this question is clearly no.

Clearly this is a male telling females they are wrong and avoiding any scrutiny of their beliefs...

Exactly. It's not a woman's problem, so why is it being turned into one?

And this is how we know that even the people who say they are women know they are men.

There are two types of people in the world. There are the kind of people who don't pretend to believe that trans women are women. And then there are the kind of people who pretend to believe that trans women are women, but treat them with male privilege whilst treating women like shit.

Males are not a minority group.

We have single sex spaces for the reason of keeping females safe.

If a subset of males feel unsafe in male spaces this is not a problem for females to solve unless you see females as lesser humans unworthy of being safe.

Remarkable that you have drawn this conclusion when according to almost everyone on this thread it’s entirely the other way around!

Safety and dignity of women and girls require third spaces. End of. Doesn’t matter whether third spaces might compromise the safety and dignity of trans people- not worthy of consideration- their safety and dignity is less important, they are a minority group, and they can just “fucking lump it”?

This is not immediately visible from media, but -

Labour are huge supporters of Stonewall

Lord Alli is one of the key players and donors of Stonewall, google it

How are you feeling about it?

People aren't demonising them as potential perverts, they are simply treating them as men deliberately ignoring the boundaries of women. Because that's what they are and what they're doing.

Huh? Prioritising trans people over women is the status quo and that is what everyone on this thread except you is objecting to.

What do you do if a patient is projectile vomits on you? You can't be treating other patients with vomit on your scrubs. But I know the girl off born to be different with spina bifida once had a colostomy bag leakage. She had to go home and shower and change. Surely there must be somewhere hospital staff can shower and put clean Scrubs on.

So you think trans women should use the male facilities? And it doesn’t matter if that’s not safe for them ? How exactly are they to “take it up with the men”?