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AIBU to not want to call my daughter’s genitals her vagina?

571 replies

BabyEl · 22/09/2024 22:49

I know, I know, I know….we live in a enlightened age. I know it’s all the rage but vagina just doesn’t sit well with me.

my daughter has started to ask ‘what’s this’ pointing at her ‘bits’ and we need an answer soon!

i know all the arguments, I know “that’s what it’s called!” And “you call an arm an arm” etc but 1) that’s not what it’s called (technically that’s just the inner passage) and 2) when do people really use the word vagina?

do you say “my vagina is a bit sore today” or “oh yeah hubby, my vagina feels so good”

also vulva? No one says that anywhere.

do let’s put those arguments to bed.

secondly, “if you don’t use the real names and god forbid a crime occurs, the case could collapse due to incorrect name use”

I’ve seen this one a lot but I’m sceptical. Is our CPS so dull and dim witted that they will reject a child testimony because she failed to use medical grade terminology? I mean, maybe…? Is there any evidence of this happening?

anyway, I’d don’t like it. I don’t like front bottom, fanny or fufu either. I’m looking for something but not those and not the V word…

am I being unreasonable?

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DadJoke · 23/09/2024 10:03

Abusers typically invent innocuous terms to make it less likely that abuse is uncovered - knowing the correct name reducers the chance of that.

Ohdoboreoff · 23/09/2024 10:09

Well this is one of the weirdest, and most questionable, threads I've seen in a long time

Brainstorming names for your very young daughters genitalia on an online forum, and inviting others to do the same.. Does nobody else see how fucking weird this is?

MNHQ what the hell are you allowing on your platform??

Seen quite a few things on here lately that made me wonder if incels wrongens and weirdos have infiltrated MN. This is definitely one of them.

WetBandits · 23/09/2024 10:11

Ohdoboreoff · 23/09/2024 10:09

Well this is one of the weirdest, and most questionable, threads I've seen in a long time

Brainstorming names for your very young daughters genitalia on an online forum, and inviting others to do the same.. Does nobody else see how fucking weird this is?

MNHQ what the hell are you allowing on your platform??

Seen quite a few things on here lately that made me wonder if incels wrongens and weirdos have infiltrated MN. This is definitely one of them.

It’s a parenting forum, and this is a legitimate parenting question.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 23/09/2024 10:12

When I was little the term was "gee" as in "Aww my gee" when you are riding a too tall bike with a crossbar or "I'll kick you in the gee if you say that again". It wasn't classy but you have to call it something. Nuts would have been the boy version.

lifebyfaith · 23/09/2024 10:15

As a child I just used to say my privates or private area.

Lemonmelon1 · 23/09/2024 10:15

I've always been brought up calling it privates. My dd 9 calls or her private parts. I think that's obvious to anyone else if she needs help. With my son who is now 11 I've always said willy. Both children know the official names.

RedheadedSoulStealer · 23/09/2024 10:20

YABU. It is basic safeguarding.

The real terms gor our genitals are nothing to be ashamed of and I personally use them for myself. I began using them to make a point when a man started giggling at the word "vulva" and I decided to never stop.

"Pretty" names like foof are ridiculous.

Snugglemonkey · 23/09/2024 10:20

TeenLifeMum · 22/09/2024 22:52

Yet nobody in real life says this and the op’s dd does have a vagina so it depends which bit she’s pointing at.

we say foof or foofoo and willy for pennis. Fairly standard in our area amongst dc friends.

Plenty of people say vulva. We sat vulva. You cannot really be pointing at a vagina, it is inside.

Ohdoboreoff · 23/09/2024 10:24

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Gcsunnyside23 · 23/09/2024 10:26

BabyEl · 23/09/2024 08:13

You said that it may not be shared publicly and she said that it was mentioned in many true crime cases that she has seen.

Something doesn’t add up here.

how is she seeing these cases if the details are not shared?

Why are you fixating on needing to read about disturbing SA cases? It's as if you're desperate to prove people wrong rather than just use appropriate terminology for your vulva/vaginally. GROW UP

rosyandjimm · 23/09/2024 10:28

Brindelz · 22/09/2024 22:50

It’s vulva, not vagina

Sorry but both vagina and vulva are horrible for children to say.
If they say vulva they might as well be saying shit or piss in my opinion, it's the same kind of adult kind of feel.

We call it front bottom. If you don't call it vulva or vagina I think your child will be just fine!!

rosyandjimm · 23/09/2024 10:29

Also, if you have an issue with the word willy or noony, whatever people call it that's not the "proper" words - why is that??

Kelly51 · 23/09/2024 10:30

OP seems to be adopting this faux naïveté that she's never heard of the wrong word being used has caused issues in SA abuse cases and asking for links, I'm not sure this is a genuine post.

Sleepydoor · 23/09/2024 10:31

Thepeopleversuswork · 23/09/2024 08:42

I do think being fastidious about anatomically accurate words in this day and age is ridiculous.

Vulva/vagina works for me (although I hate the word “vagina”: think it’s really ugly.

I absolutely loathe “fanny” though. Always found it inexplicably disgusting and laced with overtones of perversion for reasons I can’t quite explain. Urgh.

You think it's ridiculous to be very concerned or detailed about using accurate words?

Humdingerydoo · 23/09/2024 10:33

LottieMary · 23/09/2024 10:02

We’ve kind of ended up with peanut thanks to mispronunciation! 🤦🏻‍♀️

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Bellatrixpure · 23/09/2024 10:37

Brindelz · 22/09/2024 22:50

It’s vulva, not vagina

Girls have both, and sometimes it is vagina

ISpyNoPlumPie · 23/09/2024 10:38

rosyandjimm · 23/09/2024 10:28

Sorry but both vagina and vulva are horrible for children to say.
If they say vulva they might as well be saying shit or piss in my opinion, it's the same kind of adult kind of feel.

We call it front bottom. If you don't call it vulva or vagina I think your child will be just fine!!

No. It would be like saying urine or faeces. My issue with using the wrong words are that it is juvenile and instill shame around normal bodies and normal bodily functions. I don’t lie to my kids, and I don’t want to perpetuate misogyny. Front bottom is puerile. You’re a grown up (I assume).

Sleepydoor · 23/09/2024 10:40

frozenblueberries · 23/09/2024 09:27

Language evolves and changes over time and some words shift meaning. ‘Vagina’ is now nearly always used in place of the word vulva, and pretty much understood by most people to mean that.

I hate this argument that if enough people use a word incorrectly it becomes correct. It eliminates perfectly good words for things, like "nonplussed", however in this case if you call an entire area of the body "vagina", you miss out on the nuance and knowing the names for all the constituent parts. And you'll never change the meaning of vagina, because it's an anatomical term and we need specific terms for each part of the body.

rosyandjimm · 23/09/2024 10:52

@ISpyNoPlumPie - my advice to you would be to chill out a little, stop worrying about this and maybe find something else to devote your thoughts to. I'm sure your children are saying the words you don't want them to say in the playground, and they will be just fine..

WetBandits · 23/09/2024 10:52

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My username is from fucking Home Alone, but alrighty

OrangeSlices998 · 23/09/2024 10:56

rosyandjimm · 23/09/2024 10:28

Sorry but both vagina and vulva are horrible for children to say.
If they say vulva they might as well be saying shit or piss in my opinion, it's the same kind of adult kind of feel.

We call it front bottom. If you don't call it vulva or vagina I think your child will be just fine!!

How is vulva horrible for children to say? It’s literally what it’s called. My 4.5 year old calls it that, because that’s what it is! Can’t understand why I’d teach her anything else. She also knows I’m growing her sibling in my uterus/womb rather than my tummy - I’m a midwife, you wouldn’t believe the number of women who don’t know their own anatomy aged 30+.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 23/09/2024 10:57

WetBandits · 22/09/2024 23:45

I talk about genitals for most of my working day and even I don’t use the official anatomical terms 100% of the time (even at work!)

Many of my patients get a bit embarrassed/squeamish if I start saying ‘vulva’ or ‘penis’ so I normally say something along the lines of “shall we pop you up on the couch and see what’s going on with your bits” as most people seem to feel more comfortable with that, for whatever reason. Of course, if they lead with correct anatomical terms, I’ll just use those, but if they come into the consultation with “there’s green stuff coming out of my dick” or “my flower is itchy” (I’ve heard those exact phrases more than once!), I will just sanitise my own speech and go for ‘bits’ because whilst I’m absolutely not going to say dick/flower, they’re clearly uncomfortable with saying penis/vulva, so I’m not going to compound their embarrassment!

As long as your DD knows and understands that her vulva (and vagina!) are private, and what the actual terms are in case she ever needs to know them, ‘bits’ is generally fine for everyday use. She and you would know what that meant, and so would a teacher/nurse/doctor if she ever needed to tell someone there was something wrong, or god forbid if anything ever happened to her.

Quite. I've never met a doctor or gynaecologist,male or female who use correct names.

Namechange7364 · 23/09/2024 10:59

TeenLifeMum · 22/09/2024 22:52

Yet nobody in real life says this and the op’s dd does have a vagina so it depends which bit she’s pointing at.

we say foof or foofoo and willy for pennis. Fairly standard in our area amongst dc friends.

Vulva is what my DC have always used as that's what I've told them it's called 🤷‍♀️

nietzscheanvibe · 23/09/2024 10:59

FrauPaige · 22/09/2024 23:40

The problem with using 'vagina' is later in life they'll refuse to wash their groin area as they will believe that there is a cosmic spiritual holistic force that magically replicates the self-cleaning microbiotic system of their internal vaginal canal across the entire external groin area. Nip this one in the bud

Oh FFS!

OrwellianTimes · 23/09/2024 10:59

Elenorwish · 23/09/2024 09:40

The whole bit about CPS and not using the correct terms is easily sorted. The investigator should ask “what do you use that for” and “do you know another name for that” when the children use words like flower. They will usual answer “to wee out of” or “to poo out of”. In many years investigating child sexual abuse I rarely heard children use the correct terms for these body parts.

No it’s still important in terms of potential disclosures. You might be fully trained, but there are many many people who volunteer or work with children in less intense settings who might not make the connection between a child saying “my minnie” or whatever and that being their genitals.

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