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F**king hats in restaurants

375 replies

TomAllenWife · 22/09/2024 13:15

Is my new irritation!!!!

Stayed at a naive hotel last night, at breakfast this morning, two separate men wearing caps for in the restaurant .

On holiday in the summer (boiling hot) men had to wear long trousers for dinner, no shorts, but you could turn up in a baseball cap 🤔

When did this become acceptable?
I resist the urge to knock it off their heads?
I don't know why it makes me so irrationally angry either (peri)

Is it just me?

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IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 22/09/2024 17:13

DickEmery · 22/09/2024 17:11

Jesus, that comment has already been deleted. Wtf is going on with this thread?

Can you paraphrase it? It vanished almost instantly.

StormingNorman · 22/09/2024 17:14

A baseball cap isn’t really a hat in the sense of needing to take it off as a matter of etiquette (not in my mind anyway) as it’s intended for casual wear when those rules generally are either more relaxed or don’t apply. Caps are also classless so it doesn’t matter if you’re in Maccy Ds or a naice hotel.

It wouldn’t bother me. I think everyone looks cute in baseballs caps though.

DickEmery · 22/09/2024 17:15

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Thanks.

Although we'll probably now both get deleted if it was the c.... that triggered it. Sorry !

Silverfoxette · 22/09/2024 17:17

Reminds me of the first time my ex-bf met my family when I was living abroad, we were invited for dinner at my aunt and uncle’s house and he wore a baseball cap. my aunt (RIP) did not mince her words and told him straight to take it off for dinner, he was pissed! I think we weren’t together much longer after that as he was generally rude to all of my family.
It would have been considered respectful for men to take their hat off indoors before but i think times have changed.

DickEmery · 22/09/2024 17:19

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 22/09/2024 17:16

Thanks.

Although we'll probably now both get deleted if it was the c.... that triggered it. Sorry !

Edited

I do feel afeard.

BunnyLake · 22/09/2024 17:19

jasminocereusbritannicus · 22/09/2024 16:56

My youngest son ( 24) wears a cap when we go out anywhere or for a meal because he is very anxious about his thinning hair.
I don’t really see what harm it does… it certainly doesn’t bother me. I’m not a hat wearer, myself.

It doesn’t do any harm. People equating this as being the same as saying manners such as saying please or thank you are wrong (imo). Not saying please or thank you is rude because it shows ingratitude or entitlement, it can cause hurt. Wearing a baseball cap doesn’t do this. The pp who equates baseball caps with paedophillia, well you might as well say they all wear t shirts or shoes so don’t wear those.

Zone2NorthLondon · 22/09/2024 17:20

ObelixtheGaul · 22/09/2024 16:45

I'll bet the poster doesn't know the origins either, though. Most people who spout this sort of thing have no understanding of the origins, it's just passed down.

It actually dates back to knights removing their helmets in the presence of ladies/royalty. It was about exposing vulnerability as a sign of trust. This explains why the continuing tradition (hats off in church, etc) did not apply to women as they didn't traditionally wear helmets.

Hats are not worn to protect the heads against weaponry usually. The flimsy cloth of a baseball cap is protection from the sun and that is it.

There might be some argument for the later logic of males removing hats because of potential dust transference. But 'hats off' for males as a mark of respect is firmly rooted in a practice which has no application to modern-day cap-wearers.

Great post! How illuminating

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 22/09/2024 17:23

HamSad · 22/09/2024 17:07

It always used to be the rule that you didn't wear hats indoors. I wonder when and why that changed. I'm quite in favour of some standards being adhered to, TBH.

I, on the other hand, wonder when and why that rule was invented in the first place. It appears to serve no purpose other than to allow people who want to appear posh (but who sadly don't realise that only wannabe, Hyacinth Bucket types actually care about this sort of thing) to sneer and feel a false sense of superiority.

Thistooshallpass24 · 22/09/2024 17:24

@AllProperTeaIsTheft two posters explained it goes back to knights ( friend or foe)

biedleecarldon · 22/09/2024 17:24

TomAllenWife · 22/09/2024 14:02

And neither of these young men were bald and I find it unlikely that both had severe scarring needing a hat

More likely they are scruffy entitled Gen Zers

And you sound like a bitter boomer tbh. I don’t care how anyone dresses in a restaurant, as long peoples actual behaviour is acceptable then it’s such a small thing to get this furious over.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 22/09/2024 17:24

Silverfoxette · 22/09/2024 17:17

Reminds me of the first time my ex-bf met my family when I was living abroad, we were invited for dinner at my aunt and uncle’s house and he wore a baseball cap. my aunt (RIP) did not mince her words and told him straight to take it off for dinner, he was pissed! I think we weren’t together much longer after that as he was generally rude to all of my family.
It would have been considered respectful for men to take their hat off indoors before but i think times have changed.

I can sort of get my head round at a private dinner party in a house that you might not want someone wearing a baseball cap. Not sure I'd care enough to ask it be removed tho'.

However your aunt sounds rude if that's how she spoke to a guest.

Funnywonder · 22/09/2024 17:28

I can't help but think that the OP is on the wind up. How could anyone get that irritated by what others wear? As long as nobody is waving their hairy arse about in a thong while I'm trying to eat my granola, then I'm oblivious to what other people are wearing. In fact, the posher the establishment, the more satisfaction I might get from witnessing somebody's big eff you to (imaginary) etiquette🤣

MissMoneyFairy · 22/09/2024 18:09

Funnywonder · 22/09/2024 17:28

I can't help but think that the OP is on the wind up. How could anyone get that irritated by what others wear? As long as nobody is waving their hairy arse about in a thong while I'm trying to eat my granola, then I'm oblivious to what other people are wearing. In fact, the posher the establishment, the more satisfaction I might get from witnessing somebody's big eff you to (imaginary) etiquette🤣

Got to be a wind up, no one is that unpleasant about something so unimportant,

Scorchio84 · 22/09/2024 18:17

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 22/09/2024 13:25

DH would wear his cap to breakfast as he’s self conscious about his bald spot. He wears a cap whenever he can get away with it. I don’t know why it would bother someone else.

My friend has been like this for the last 20 years! He's so self concious of his thinning har, I was surprised he didn't wear one on his wedding day! 😄

I mean it's beakfast at a, I'm assuming, "naice" hotel but so what? Your man was hardly doing a Bianca whatsher name & trotting around half/almost fully naked, now that would put me off my food

JohnTheRevelator · 22/09/2024 18:20

I'm not bothered by people wearing caps or hats indoors,but people who have the hood of their coat up indoors irritates me! Incidentally,years ago it was considered very bad manners for a man to wear a cap or hat indoors!

BowTiesPinkTail · 22/09/2024 18:45

TomAllenWife · 22/09/2024 14:02

And neither of these young men were bald and I find it unlikely that both had severe scarring needing a hat

More likely they are scruffy entitled Gen Zers

Wow, I'm pretty certain you can't blame peri for being so judgemental - that my friend is just your bad attitude.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 22/09/2024 18:47

Thistooshallpass24 · 22/09/2024 17:24

@AllProperTeaIsTheft two posters explained it goes back to knights ( friend or foe)

Edited

Well yes, but I mean who then decided that the rule for knights' helmets should apply to normal hats as etiquette? As the poster of the info about knights' helmets pointed out, removing a hat doesn't expose vulnerability as a sign of trust.

BunnyLake · 22/09/2024 18:48

biedleecarldon · 22/09/2024 17:24

And you sound like a bitter boomer tbh. I don’t care how anyone dresses in a restaurant, as long peoples actual behaviour is acceptable then it’s such a small thing to get this furious over.

This a million times. If you’ve got a baseball cap on but you’re civilised and not being a douche then why would I (or anyone) care. It’s noisy, entitled, obnoxious people that irritate me not their headwear.

I’m a boomer but I’m not bitter 😁

Thistooshallpass24 · 22/09/2024 18:49

@AllProperTeaIsTheft that I'm unsure of, theres been so much "information" on this thread you might have missed it.
There's been so much said on here it's quite confusing ( and some that's utterly ridiculous)

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 22/09/2024 19:09

DickEmery · 22/09/2024 17:11

Jesus, that comment has already been deleted. Wtf is going on with this thread?

I think the OP's just sitting there angrily reporting everyone!

Mine went for mentioning her husband's 'hobby'?

JessicassLavalier · 22/09/2024 19:10

Idratherbepaddleboarding · Today 16:51
Jesus Christ I’ve heard it all now! Wearing a baseball cap doesn’t make you a pedophile, being a pedophile makes you a pedophile.

Duh. It's not wearing a baseball cap that makes you a pedophile and its not what is understood by the point anyway!

It's just that it is a very very common item of wear for older men wrongly trying to appear 'down with the kids' - frequently for nefarious purposes in a mistaken belief it is projecting youthful attraction. You only have to look at all those cases of men convicted - the baseball cap is a selected item and why? Trying to look incongruously youthful. It's why it always looks dodgy on an older man - Glitter, King, Savile, etd

Even those who are just rumoured are famous baseball cap wearers:
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IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 22/09/2024 19:11

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin · 22/09/2024 19:09

I think the OP's just sitting there angrily reporting everyone!

Mine went for mentioning her husband's 'hobby'?

YaCannyKickYaGrannyInTheShin

I reposted about it !

DickEmery · 22/09/2024 19:25

That's another one of mine gone now! It didn't really say anything much.

SpiggingBelgium · 22/09/2024 19:29

Growlybear83 · 22/09/2024 16:02

This forum just gets more and more unpleasant. It may be very old fashioned and outdated nowadays, but in the UK it IS still considered to be bad manners for a man to wear a hat indoors. Just because people are ignorant about etiquette and manners and clearly can't be bothered to do the most basic research into why this has been the case for several centuries, it really does make some posters look very foolish with their rude and sarcastic comments.

You’re telling people they’re ignorant, yet they’re the unpleasant ones? Jesus.

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