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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

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Boltonb · 17/09/2024 14:46

I mean this all sounds very immature. But to cut a long story short.
•They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
•You were rude to be on your phone
•They were rude to expect you to pay, but equally it’s slightly rude to just buy your own
•He’s rude to have a go at you for finding the dynamic weird that he essentially created, and now he’s ignoring you.

Not seeing much of a future in such an immature relationship to be honest.

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

FlippertyFlopperty · 17/09/2024 14:49

Gosh no, they sound like seriously hard work and full of drama. Don't have another date with him, please.

Boidont · 17/09/2024 14:51

Yeah I’d not be dating him again, if he’s making a mountain out of a molehill now imagine when there’s actual issues in the future.
And this way you don’t have to deal with either of them ever again!

Boidont · 17/09/2024 14:51

Oh I just realised you’re still co workers 🥲

Precipice · 17/09/2024 14:54

Weird to expect you to pay for their coffees.

If the first coffees were on him but you just had water, your frappe coffee drink 'should' have been on him, since in effect he didn't get you anything from his round. This would then remove you from the equation and leave the round for him and her to her.

They can't expect a one-off newcomer to join in on their round traditions!

It's normal for everyone to pay for their own; any customs to the contrary have to be agreed to and where they exist, should be just kept for meet-ups in that closed circle.

I would never ask to hold a random baby. I think babies should stay with their family members, not be passed around to strangers.

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:56

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

I thought it was very relevant. He wanted to introduce and for us to get to know each other. They then argued for 20 minutes in their own language and I didn't understand a word. I felt as though I may as well have not been there. This made me less inclined to buy her a coffee.

I don't mind them speaking their own language to each other, but not for 20 minutes when a 3rd person who doesn't understand is there. They both have highly fluent english.

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DemonicCaveMaggot · 17/09/2024 14:57

I think your boyfriend was still tetchy after the argument with his friend and took it out on you. They should have talked in English while you were present, talking for 20 minutes in a language they know you don't understand is rude. The friend sounds paranoid, and if your boyfriend's approach to handling disagreements is lashing out and then ghosting you perhaps he is not a great loss and neither is she.

And getting huffy over the cost of a cup of coffee isn't a great look for your boyfriend either.

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:59

Even if they had the argument in English, it wouldn't have been my place to say anything so I would've still left them too it. But it was really uncomfortable not understanding a word that was being said. It's the principle of it - for all I know they were talking about me. I'm confident they weren't, but as I said, it's the principle.

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pizzaHeart · 17/09/2024 15:03

It was very weird altogether.
Disclaimer: English is my second language.
They were very rude to speak the language you didn’t understand. They should have stick to English to give you chance to join conversation and show “your interest to his life and his friends”.
It’s nonsense about holding baby, she’s got PFB syndrome really badly. Also you were fine to pay for your own coffee, you were a guest, you were not going to join their rota and it’s too much fuss about small thing on his side.
Altogether I suspect that she is jealous as she’s got less attention now from your BF. I know you said that it’s a sibling type of relationship and it’s exactly this - like younger sisters are often jealous of their brother’s serious girlfriend.
My advice - if he won’t apologise don’t continue with relationship. But I’m older and cynical.

FrostFlowers2025 · 17/09/2024 15:04

I would have made my excuses and left once they had started arguing in a language I didn't understand and thereby completely excluding me from the conversation. Then again, them even arguing in the first place (even if it had been in English) was also rude and excluding you.

Him berating you like a child for rudeness (which is rich coming from him) for not reading their minds and following "rules" they had established between the two of them. The really turned you into a third wheel.

I suggest you throw this one back.

Tbskejue · 17/09/2024 15:08

I think he’s making a big deal out of something that didn’t need to be a big deal. They were rude to argue in front of you and switch to their own lanaguage. He sounds like hard work to be honest so maybe this is a lucky escape

LostittoBostik · 17/09/2024 15:09

He was the CF, for all the reasons stated above.

I wouldn't bother with him anymore. I suspect the way he treated you has put you off a bit anyway?

Nogaxeh · 17/09/2024 15:09

Misunderstandings happen. You had a different expectation over whether to pay for the next round - I don't think this is a case of you being right or wrong, but more of how to resolve such a misunderstanding when it happens.

The unpleasant thing here is the implication of ill feeling, and then the sulking from your boyfriend.

It shouldn't be too hard to clear the air, but if it is then that's a problem.

MissUltraViolet · 17/09/2024 15:09

I would have left a minute or two into their argument that I could not understand a word of, that's incredibly rude. Far more rude than you not offering to pay for coffees after sitting for 20 minutes dealing with that.

Why is he even arguing with a friend about who she has look after her child?

Find another one OP.

FleaDog · 17/09/2024 15:11

Why argue their own language if they both speak fluent english?

Are you sure the argument was about a perceived slight on her parenting? To deliberately switch languages knowing it excludes you from a conversation would be a big concern for me. Why did they need to ensure you could not understand or join in the conversation?

I'd not bother with dating your coworker, it all sounds too much hard work.

TheCultureHusks · 17/09/2024 15:14

He sounds really hard work. How the hell were you supposed to get to know his friend when they both excluded you by speaking in their own language? Mad. I’d back away from this one.

Thelittlehouseonthehill · 17/09/2024 15:15

They were very rude having that argument and he should have stopped it..
He should also not expected you to pay for all the the coffees.
I would end it now. He’s not a keeper.

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:15

FleaDog · 17/09/2024 15:11

Why argue their own language if they both speak fluent english?

Are you sure the argument was about a perceived slight on her parenting? To deliberately switch languages knowing it excludes you from a conversation would be a big concern for me. Why did they need to ensure you could not understand or join in the conversation?

I'd not bother with dating your coworker, it all sounds too much hard work.

Yes because the argument started in English. it was along the lines of

Her "I've booked a break away to (insert city name) and I'm leaving baby with X for 2 nights. I'm exhausted and need the break"

Him: "Are you sure about that? X has let you down before and you had issues last time she watched the baby, and is 6 months not a bit young anyway?"

Her: "It's not your place to question who I leave the baby with, you should support me! (changes in her own language after this point)"

They then sniped at each other for 20 minutes in their own language. Maybe the argument changed topics, I wouldn't know, it was painful though.

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:18

I really was starting to develop feelings for him. He was one of my best mates before we started dating. We had the same life goals and timelines for things we wanted in the future.

He's really close to this friend though and describes himself as a godparent to the child, so it won't work unless I get on with her. I feel he is waiting for me to admit fault and apologise.

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LadyDanburysHat · 17/09/2024 15:18

I agree with the pp who said they would have left after they started arguing in their own language.

They were both rude to you, so the following coffee part really doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned.

Awfeck · 17/09/2024 15:21

Yeah, I don't like him, op.
Ditch him.

MaMaMalenka · 17/09/2024 15:22

So, so rude to lapse into a language one of the group does not speak! I am bilingual and I would never do that, ever! I am extra careful - even with my (also bilingual) children when there are others around who don't speak out language.
But the biggest question is - why tf did your boyfriend feel the need to quote her criticism of you? For this alone I would consider LTB

BobbyBiscuits · 17/09/2024 15:26

It all sounds incredibly awkward, unnecessarily so. If you're going to fall out over coffee then it's not going anywhere. And him and his female friend shouldn't have started rowing, in any language in front of you and the child, in a public place.

Miniopolis · 17/09/2024 15:27

I mean it’s as a simple as ‘you argued for 20 mins in a language I can’t understand and then you wanted me to buy you both a drink?’

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