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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

OP posts:
Hyperbowl · 17/09/2024 15:52

What a lot of drama and very awkward for you. I’d be inclined to bin him off. He was rude to you and overstepped trying to tell his friend how to parent her own baby. His reasons why he had to argue in front of you language irrelevant is poor. He called you nosey when they subjected you to being present in their argument and tried to blame you for being unhappy about it? He doesn’t respect you at all. Nah, sod that.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 17/09/2024 15:53

There was no more reason for you to buy the second round than for your bf's friend to do it. Except perhaps she felt she shouldn't have to buy a round for a couple when there was only one of her. The permutations are endless, but whatever happened he seems to be in a huff about it and not contacting you, which isn't likely to improve things. Do you still want to be with him after this? If so, you could try to initiate a non-blaming conversation to see if you can resolve it.

endofthecorridoor · 17/09/2024 15:53

Could they have been discussing if the 2 of you would look after the baby ? Is that maybe what she was angling for knowing he would not approve of the other option.

Either way he sounds awful so I would cut your losses

Busybeed · 17/09/2024 15:54

FrostFlowers2025 · 17/09/2024 15:04

I would have made my excuses and left once they had started arguing in a language I didn't understand and thereby completely excluding me from the conversation. Then again, them even arguing in the first place (even if it had been in English) was also rude and excluding you.

Him berating you like a child for rudeness (which is rich coming from him) for not reading their minds and following "rules" they had established between the two of them. The really turned you into a third wheel.

I suggest you throw this one back.

This!

doodleschnoodle · 17/09/2024 15:59

The whole thing sounds quite bizarre honestly!

itsmylife7 · 17/09/2024 16:01

You've glimpsed another side of him, did you like the new side ?

personally I'd end it too much drama with his "sister" and his involvement with her life.

fourelementary · 17/09/2024 16:02

Urghhh to be honest there is rudeness all round. It is rude to buy yourself a drink when out as a 3 unless you’d said no I will buy my own at the first “round” which you didn’t. (Bottled water isn’t even that cheap tbh)
They were rude to slip into their native tongue. At that point you should have said “guys let’s drop this- and I’d really like to get to know Marta here some more, how did baby Sampson get his name?” Or something similar…
BF was rude after and continues to be rude which is more worrying tbh. Have a big rethink about this one…

LAMPS1 · 17/09/2024 16:02

The right thing to do when two friends are arguing in front of you is to walk away and leave them to it. The fact it was in a different language is neither here nor there really, it’s still very awkward for you.
But he invited you. The onus was on him to show better manners and not cut you out while he continued to argue with her.

Instead, they wanted you to buy them a drink and be cool with it all and pretend like it never happened. And prove to them that you liked her. And apologise for being nosy.

It’s the ideal time to walk away from him OP. For good.
Tell him he’s right…you can’t be arsed with his nonsense.

MarkingBad · 17/09/2024 16:02

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:38

It's deffo a strange dynamic between them and it does give me second thoughts about him. I don't get vibes that they fancy each other but from what he's said it's a toxic friendship, they argue every time they meet up and then make up. That's what he means by "sibling dynamic". He lends her money sometimes as she's not in the best situation and he sometimes babysits.

My friends said the dynamic was really fucking bizarre and they convinced themselves he was the father of the child and that they were both having me on. That isn't the case though, I am certain for the reason I mentioned in my OP.

TBH I think she is jealous of you and their dynamc is too close for a third in that relationship. You don't argue like that in public with people you don't have a great deal of closeness and affection for, or with just their occasional friends when in a public place. Was the idea that they are brother and sister from DP?

There may not be a physical relationship but he's not really free to emotionally commit while he is running around helping her, it is nice that he wants to be that friend for her but if you want a proper full on relationship with him he will be unavailable for at least part of the time. It will get on your nerves and you will worry.

When and if he is free to commit properly then take a chance but I'd have walked straight out of the building when they started arguing in their own language, you aren't a gooseberry or at least you should not have been treated like one. This was disrespectful of him to her and you to even feel he could berate her in front of you.

As for paying, he got you a water first time and then you are expected to pay his share for a friend you never met before ... don't worry about seeming rude, they both did more than their fair share of being rude to you.

I know it's hard right now but I wouldn't be mourning this loss, it's no loss at all.

Nightowl1234 · 17/09/2024 16:03

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:47

It was bottled water, not tap water so he did spend money on me. The second drink i wanted was £6

That changes things.

There is no difference really between a bottled water and a coffee. You should have bought the next round which would have included paying for your own fancy coffee. Really then, you would only have been buying his friend a coffee, which isn’t a massive amount and would have been nice to start off a potential friendship with her. And perhaps they were thinking to invite you next time, in which case she would have bought you a coffee in return. You really could have just bought her a coffee - it’s fairly mean spirited and stingy not too.

They were still rude to argue in front of you for 20 mins though.

HollyKnight · 17/09/2024 16:05

You all sound terribly rude. It's disrespectful to argue in front of someone no matter what language so they were wrong for doing that. But it doesn't give a good first impression to just buy a drink for yourself when your previous one was bought for you. And it is poor form to not fake some interest in someone's baby. IMO you likely came across as really unfriendly.

I really don't think you are as fine with their friendship as you want to believe you are. Also, your friends sound like MNetters.

hildabaker · 17/09/2024 16:08

He's an idiot. Get rid and then he can crack on arguing all day long with his mate.

Rubytuesday77 · 17/09/2024 16:09

Boltonb · 17/09/2024 14:46

I mean this all sounds very immature. But to cut a long story short.
•They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
•You were rude to be on your phone
•They were rude to expect you to pay, but equally it’s slightly rude to just buy your own
•He’s rude to have a go at you for finding the dynamic weird that he essentially created, and now he’s ignoring you.

Not seeing much of a future in such an immature relationship to be honest.

How on earth can it not be relevant that they spoke a different language to the Op? 🤔 Argument or not she was being excluded.

LoubeighLough · 17/09/2024 16:11

I absolutely would have just bought the coffees for everyone, couldn't get into this tit for tat of who bought what and paying for your own was rude. For the sake of £10 I couldn't have just paid for my own.

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 16:12

Boltonb · 17/09/2024 14:46

I mean this all sounds very immature. But to cut a long story short.
•They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
•You were rude to be on your phone
•They were rude to expect you to pay, but equally it’s slightly rude to just buy your own
•He’s rude to have a go at you for finding the dynamic weird that he essentially created, and now he’s ignoring you.

Not seeing much of a future in such an immature relationship to be honest.

I think them speaking a language OP didn't speak means it was fine for OP to be on her phone during the time they were speaking it, personally. What's she supposed to do, sit looking round the room till they've finished?

hepsitemiz · 17/09/2024 16:13

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

On the contrary, the language thing is the most relevant part for me. This is where the rudeness began, and this is why the OP was not inclined to stand a round for two people who had just excluded her for 20 minutes.

housethatbuiltme · 17/09/2024 16:15

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

Well since they had a whole conversation she couldn't understand and wasn't included in which made up pretty much all of the meeting up until them its pretty bloody important fact as to why everything was weird and awkward.

Having a private conversation excluding your guest is rude.

Its also not ever rude to only pay for yourself in a group situation, I don't buy into 'rounds' they are a ridiculous concept and not something OP had been any part of previously (its not like she accepted drinks off others then only bought her own).

SpottySpotSpots · 17/09/2024 16:16

hepsitemiz · 17/09/2024 16:13

On the contrary, the language thing is the most relevant part for me. This is where the rudeness began, and this is why the OP was not inclined to stand a round for two people who had just excluded her for 20 minutes.

Exactly! Its no different really to if they'd sodded off for 20 mins and then come back and gone to OP 'right, your round'.

GLVF · 17/09/2024 16:17

What does CF in the title mean? I need to learn all these terms! Also 'LTB' = leave the b*ard? I feel as if THIS is another language!

Age/life experience seems to be a factor here. I can't think of many people over 35 who wouldn't just pay for an extra drink or two without major complaining that risks a good relationship!

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 16:17

HollyKnight · 17/09/2024 16:05

You all sound terribly rude. It's disrespectful to argue in front of someone no matter what language so they were wrong for doing that. But it doesn't give a good first impression to just buy a drink for yourself when your previous one was bought for you. And it is poor form to not fake some interest in someone's baby. IMO you likely came across as really unfriendly.

I really don't think you are as fine with their friendship as you want to believe you are. Also, your friends sound like MNetters.

What form do you suggest the fake interest in the baby should take, though? OP said she was judged for not cooing over the baby or asking to hold him/her, personally I think the friend was out of order there. Provided someone isn't being actively unfriendly, it isn't rude to not do these things.

SpiderPlanter · 17/09/2024 16:17

It’s absolutely not rude to just buy your own. In these situations, it’s always best to just buy your own.

It all sounds like a lot of hoohaa to be honest, and not worth it.

SpiderPlanter · 17/09/2024 16:17

GLVF · 17/09/2024 16:17

What does CF in the title mean? I need to learn all these terms! Also 'LTB' = leave the b*ard? I feel as if THIS is another language!

Age/life experience seems to be a factor here. I can't think of many people over 35 who wouldn't just pay for an extra drink or two without major complaining that risks a good relationship!

CF means cheeky fucker and LTB means leave the bastard/bitch

armadillio · 17/09/2024 16:20

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:47

It was bottled water, not tap water so he did spend money on me. The second drink i wanted was £6

So technically it was your round but given you were meeting him and his friend, I agree that it would have been nice if he had paid, especially as the chances you having another round with them both any time soon is not guaranteed.

Abitofalark · 17/09/2024 16:24

GLVF, LTB means leave the bastard.

Theotherone234 · 17/09/2024 16:26

I would have felt awkward if they'd argued in English. It's the fact that they argued in front of you (a stranger to her) when it was meant to be a meeting between the two of you.

However I would have taken offence at someone telling me what to do with my kid. None of his business. He sounds too controlling to me.

But I also think you should have offered to pay for the round of coffees - it would have been her turn next.

I would have made an excuse and left after 3mins of their argument. And I definitely wouldn't be dating him any longer.

You are worth better than this. Work friendships rarely work outside of the workplace, never mind relationships. People are different at work