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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

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TheFoz · 17/09/2024 15:27

Let’s say you apologised for the coffee thing, would he apologise for his rudeness of excluding you from the conversation by speaking in another language that you couldn’t understand? Somehow I doubt it. Bin him and move on. He and his friend are rude.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 17/09/2024 15:30

They're both weird and rude. He invited you to meet his friend but expected you to pay for drinks for the three of you? And they got into a 20-minute argument in their own language and left you sitting there like a lemon? I'd have left them to it at that point but yeah, bin this one, OP.

ChampagneLassie · 17/09/2024 15:30

How old are you all? It strikes me as very strange etiquette to be anguishing over paying for coffees. I’d have expected him to pay and if I’d then been prompted to pay I’d have paid for them all and spoken to him afterwards about why he’d not paid. I think he should have paid, but you suggesting just paying for your own looked ruder. I’m suprised you’re so keen on him, someone being that tight would give me the ick. In fact I broke up with someone who suggested we split a bill two months into dating whilst out for dinner with his friends it made me feel really cheap, instead I paid as I felt less embarrassed by that and broke up with him.so I guess I’m sort of your BF in this scenario.

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:31

His justification for having the argument in their language is that they could both speak quicker, get their points out quicker and thus end the argument quicker. He said in the heat of the moment when riled up it is easier to argue in your mother tongue🙄

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

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Hecatoncheires · 17/09/2024 15:31

Sounds like he would take her side over you, OP. Not a good match. I agree with a PP who said that they were irritated with each other and you've been the fall guy.

Hecatoncheires · 17/09/2024 15:32

Blimey, your latest update is even worse! Thank the coffee gods that you are seeing this side to him. And I say that a tolerant person who lets things slide where possible.

EPankhurst · 17/09/2024 15:32

Miniopolis · 17/09/2024 15:27

I mean it’s as a simple as ‘you argued for 20 mins in a language I can’t understand and then you wanted me to buy you both a drink?’

This.

Plus "I only had a tap water in the first round, so I can't see how you have come to the conclusion that it was my round!

They were both rude. Of course you went on your phone to try to minimise the awkwardness of just sitting there while they argued in a language you don't understand.

I wouldn't coo over a new acquaintance's baby in all honesty. I find it hard enough to remember to muster up enough enthusiasm to do a bit of cooing at very close friends' babies, and I wouldn't thank a stranger for wanting to hold my infant either.

Fathercrispness · 17/09/2024 15:34

He sounds insufferable. Calling YOU out for being rude when they spent 20 minutes arguing in a language you didn’t understand and completely excluding you?! Of course it wasn’t his place to judge her parenting decisions. Then for her to be bitching about you when you went to the toilet and him telling you about it?! That’s all before them expecting you to buy them drinks.

don’t walk away. Run.

NinaGeiger · 17/09/2024 15:35

The first time I met my husband's friends, we all had breakfast together in a cafe and he paid for mine as he'd invited me.
That's so much more attractive to me than splitting hairs about who pays for a coffee.
So many things I don't like about this!

JustDeserts · 17/09/2024 15:35

@Boltonb , They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
I don't think it's particularly rude if there is some translation, but OP and the date seem to have cultural differences.

If you usually speak to someone in your mother tongue, it feels really weird to speak in a second language.

When I am the one who doesn't understand the conversation, I accept it as long there are no signs that they are deliberately being unkind towards me. You can read a lot by non-verbal clues.

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:38

It's deffo a strange dynamic between them and it does give me second thoughts about him. I don't get vibes that they fancy each other but from what he's said it's a toxic friendship, they argue every time they meet up and then make up. That's what he means by "sibling dynamic". He lends her money sometimes as she's not in the best situation and he sometimes babysits.

My friends said the dynamic was really fucking bizarre and they convinced themselves he was the father of the child and that they were both having me on. That isn't the case though, I am certain for the reason I mentioned in my OP.

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pizzaHeart · 17/09/2024 15:38

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:31

His justification for having the argument in their language is that they could both speak quicker, get their points out quicker and thus end the argument quicker. He said in the heat of the moment when riled up it is easier to argue in your mother tongue🙄

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

Wow!!!
and after all these^ you are still thinking about giving him a chance???
I wouldn’t even if he apologised.

EPankhurst · 17/09/2024 15:39

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:31

His justification for having the argument in their language is that they could both speak quicker, get their points out quicker and thus end the argument quicker. He said in the heat of the moment when riled up it is easier to argue in your mother tongue🙄

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

20 minutes isn't exactly getting it over with quickly, is it.

I'm sure it IS easier to argue in your mother tongue - that doesn't excuse the fact that it is also plain rude to exclude one person in a three person conversation. They were rude on 2 counts: both speaking in a language that you didn't understand, and to have had an argument for a full 20 minutes while they had your company. Mature and considerate people would have said "I don't agree but let's not argue about this now" and changed the subject to something non-loaded that you could have been involved in.

And which is it - you can't be accused of being both nosey about her and her child, and completely disinterested in them!

leavingsmartie · 17/09/2024 15:40

Odd and rude...few weeks, just get rid and chuck him back.

Are you all grad students or in university research? (Just wondering because of the low pay/international element).

Full of people who can sometimes be bright and fun, but also VERY immature/childish/self-centred and difficult/pernickety/petty.
Way above normal society.

Also, "a lot can be buried in the culture gap" - you're probably missing him being difficult at other times if you aren't from the same country or native language.

Spomb · 17/09/2024 15:41

This all sounds very dramatic for a coffee! I don’t think you’re suited, I’d knock it on the head.

coxesorangepippin · 17/09/2024 15:42

Fuck that for a game of soldiers op

Move on

WhatNext24 · 17/09/2024 15:44

Crikey, I would move on. Early relationships should be fun. You are not his priority (she is, platonic or not) and the whole thing sounds like hard work.

Tiddlywinkly · 17/09/2024 15:44

Bullet dodged. Move on!

armadillio · 17/09/2024 15:46

You say:

When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water.

And later

Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks

So which is it? Or was your drink a mineral water in the first round?

Regardless, if they paid for a drink for you than it was your turn to pay.

CocoapuffPuff · 17/09/2024 15:46

Goodness, they both sound like total divas. You're a couple of dates in.

Run.

Stay work pals if you want, but don't expect great romance. He's already disappointed in you and your lack of deference to his favourite woman.

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:47

armadillio · 17/09/2024 15:46

You say:

When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water.

And later

Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks

So which is it? Or was your drink a mineral water in the first round?

Regardless, if they paid for a drink for you than it was your turn to pay.

It was bottled water, not tap water so he did spend money on me. The second drink i wanted was £6

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GenAvocadoOnToast · 17/09/2024 15:48

I would've left. Incredibly rude of them both.

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

Just... no. Bin him off.

Timeforaglassofwine · 17/09/2024 15:50

So you were basically third wheeling, drinking (free/cheap) water whilst they had an extended argument in their own language, and they are calling you rude for not buying them drinks. You weren't in their round system so why would you need to buy the drinks. I think it's going to be tricky going forward, she sounds like hard work, and even though there isn't a sexual thing between them, she still sounds territorial. His comment about parenting was worse than you not buying her coffee, but she'll make up with him because he is a long standing friend. Give him another chance if you like, but he and his gal pal don't need to come as a package.

AegonT · 17/09/2024 15:51

Cut and run this is your warning he is petty and his good friend is too. They are reading to much into things and being rude to you.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 17/09/2024 15:51

Who is he to criticise her parenting?
Add in speaking at length in a language you don’t understand and making coffee buying sound like a diplomatic meeting at the Kremlin. Is he really worth the hassle?
Petty isn’t attractive.