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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

OP posts:
sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 17:04

The OP has confirmed that it was bottled water, so the fact it was water is irrelevant really- it was a drink that cost money.

Roseshavethorns · 17/09/2024 17:04

I think as a rule if he had bought the first drink (bottle of water) I would have offered to buy the second.
However their behaviour was atrocious. You don't have an argument in front of someone else, no matter how good friends you are. It is incredibly embarrassing for the third person. It is also extremely rude to talk in a language your guest does not understand.
I wouldn't ask to cuddle a baby I don't know either. A baby is not a toy. I may have cooed a bit but that's it.
It also sounds like he doesn't get (or care)how badly he behaved and how uncomfortable and embarrassed you were. For that reason alone I would end the relationship. At the beginning of a relationship you are supposed to be on your best behaviour. If that's him at his best can you imagine what it would be like once he became comfortable in the relationship?

Avertmyeyes · 17/09/2024 17:04

Almost like you were “meeting the family” and she is the nit-picking MIL.

She doesn’t want to share him. She’s pathetic. I wouldn’t have wanted her baby either, not my place.

100% the speaking and fighting in other language for a long time is rude.

She has too much power, and honestly he insulted her parenting & you misunderstood their coffee etiquette -
and u are the one iced out.?

Hopefully, he realises that’s she’s controlling. Does she have a husband to boss around? .

Give him space & hope he comes back. If not, the silver lining is that she is not part of your life.

(if you do end up around her again, bring her a small gift of choccy/small book for baby or something and apologise) even if you don’t mean it, then she will have no excuse.

WoolySnail · 17/09/2024 17:07

I got tired just reading about the whole thing; honestly OP its not supposed to be this hard (especially this early on) and so I'd rethink whether you want to be involved with this guy and the drama.

WappityWabbit · 17/09/2024 17:09

I wouldn't be impressed by them having a long conversation in a different langue whilst you were sat next to them. Especially as it descended into an argument.

THAT was rude!

I don't do rounds so I'd shrug my shoulders at not participating in that nonsense.

I don't think he's worth the effort frankly.

MoodyMargaret11 · 17/09/2024 17:10

Biggest problem OP -
He was so disrespectful to you launching into a 20 min argument, and to top that in a foreign language. You dont do this when you are introducing your new girlfriend (whom you're supposed to be head over heels at this stage) to your friends. It's like he completely forgot you were even present! He should have been extra mindful to ensure you felt included and that YOU liked his friend. But he didn't care. It wasn't even an argument worth having, as PP have said he sounds wayyyy over-invested in his friend and her child. And imagine, if you were to have a child with him one day, brace yourself and expect that she may be equally over-involved in your parenting 😂
Say no thanks and move on, this man is too much drama over nothing. And making you feel shit for not buying HIS friend a coffee... geez

Maia77 · 17/09/2024 17:12

Yeah, doesn't look very promising. He sounds quite immature.

Haggia · 17/09/2024 17:14

I wouldn’t want to have coffee with any of you.

He’s moody and overbearing
She has her eye on him and is snippy
You’re tight

I’m not going 😂

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 17:17

Choochoo21 · 17/09/2024 16:31

YABU

Someone buys all 3 of you a drink.
You don’t then expect them to buy the next round or say you’ll just buy your own.
That’s really rude of you.

They were a bit rude to argue in their mother tongue but if I was her and someone questioned my parenting then I would absolutely defend myself and this is easier to do in your first language.

I think you were also a bit rude not to make a fuss of her baby.

You have across as quite stand offish with her and she must have felt this too.

Do you have an issue with their friendship?
Or are you generally not great at meeting new people?

I would text her and say how lovely it was to meet her and how cute her baby is.

Would you expect OP to 'fuss over' the baby if OP was male?

HangryTurtle · 17/09/2024 17:31

Haggia · 17/09/2024 17:14

I wouldn’t want to have coffee with any of you.

He’s moody and overbearing
She has her eye on him and is snippy
You’re tight

I’m not going 😂

This, I'd have liked to have been on the next table with you.

Choochoo21 · 17/09/2024 17:39

SpiderPlanter · 17/09/2024 17:02

But she had water, which would suggest it was free?

OP said it was bottled water so it wasn’t free.

Choochoo21 · 17/09/2024 17:40

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 17:17

Would you expect OP to 'fuss over' the baby if OP was male?

Yes of course.

I’d find it really rude if I was meeting a man for the first time and he barely acknowledged my child.

pizzaHeart · 17/09/2024 17:43

armadillio · 17/09/2024 15:46

You say:

When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water.

And later

Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks

So which is it? Or was your drink a mineral water in the first round?

Regardless, if they paid for a drink for you than it was your turn to pay.

OP meant that it didn’t occurred to her that it’s her turn to pay as she was invited as a guest and wasn’t taking part in their long-standing arrangement but she felt cheeky to allow BF to pay as she wanted an expensive drink that’s why she said that she would pay for her drink herself - she tried to be fair actually.

LouH5 · 17/09/2024 17:45

Nope, they were incredibly rude to sit arguing in another language in front of you. You must have felt so awkward just sitting there! It’s so weird and rude of him for allowing that to happen.

Am I understanding right that you only had a water during the first round? That is a little weird in a coffee shop 🤣 but he hadn’t bought you a drink at all by this stage so he should’ve got you one, especially as he invited you out with his friend. You absolutely were under no obligation to buy her a drink. It’s cheeky of her to expect a drink from you.
I don’t really know what the best solution would’ve been though. You shouldn’t have to buy her a drink. She shouldn’t have to buy you one. I get why he didn’t want to buy a second round for her. All sounds v messy and awkward!

Nanny0gg · 17/09/2024 17:46

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:31

His justification for having the argument in their language is that they could both speak quicker, get their points out quicker and thus end the argument quicker. He said in the heat of the moment when riled up it is easier to argue in your mother tongue🙄

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

Oh please.

Dump.

Get rid

Do not bother

Avertmyeyes · 17/09/2024 17:49

If you ever talk to him again. And really want to chuck a hand grenade …. Tell him that you didn’t want to buy a coffee for a woman who is clearly “in love” with him & rude arguing and excluding you.
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Say she was, arguing with you in language with you present, you could see that she had feelings for him. And was purposefully picking a fight to exclude you.

Really, she made it so awkward. Put it 100% on her, push them together OR it pulls them apart.

Uol2022 · 17/09/2024 17:53

Yeah it was either your turn to buy or hers, and if a round was bought last time it’s odd to just buy your own. But it’s not exactly crime of the century and he could have brought it up gently. Turning something small into a fight and drama is a bad sign, in my opinion. Both the friend and your bf.

Don’t torture yourself. If he’s giving you the silent treatment over this you can be sure that, even if you’d got the coffees, something else would have come along soon enough. People have different expectations in all kinds of situations, we all have bad days, whatever. If he can’t cope and turns a small perceived sleight into a big argument it’s not likely to become a happy relationship, is it?

IOSTT · 17/09/2024 17:54

I would have made my excuses and left when they started arguing in their own language. Back to being co workers

MarkingBad · 17/09/2024 17:59

Is it just me or is a 20 minute argument in whatever language remarkably long for what was said to start it?

leavingsmartie · 17/09/2024 18:01

"You are worth better than this. Work friendships rarely work outside of the workplace, never mind relationships. People are different at work"

This too. The whole thing seems joyless.

If you're both being super frugal and building a life together you need to be completely on the same page, emotionally, not navigating what seems like a high school over dramatic friendship.

This should be the honeymoon phase. If you're not doing nice dates then you should be hugely enjoying each other and completely in sync.

If you're child free and young, get some nice dates with a bloke where he takes you to a nice restaurant on a Friday night, not squabbling over £3 with two intense hyper-critical weirdos.

A lot of people are fun or nice in principle/on paper or as friends occasionally...when you're closer to them/spend more time you see the niggling personality problems.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 17/09/2024 18:03

To be blunt - timelines and future goals mean absolutely nothing if not backed backed up by decent everyday behaviour.
This man is an absolute idiot. The whole meeting sounded bloody awful - what a position to put you in.
Hr sounds domineering and she’s all about the drama.
He invited you I can’t believe people on here comment about the price of a cup of coffee. I would have bought one for myself as well after sitting through that floor show.
Whatever the dynamic is between these two it sounds weird to me. I don’t mean inappropriate, I just mean odd.
It is far too early to pin your hopes on this man. He’s upset you and not even bothered to see how you are.
He lacks generosity, which is nothing to do with money.
It is really tough but get out now before he becomes even more unpleasant. Seems he has too much to say about the ‘women’ in his life.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 17/09/2024 18:03

Boltonb · 17/09/2024 14:46

I mean this all sounds very immature. But to cut a long story short.
•They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
•You were rude to be on your phone
•They were rude to expect you to pay, but equally it’s slightly rude to just buy your own
•He’s rude to have a go at you for finding the dynamic weird that he essentially created, and now he’s ignoring you.

Not seeing much of a future in such an immature relationship to be honest.

Out of curiosity, what was she meant to do when they spoke in a language she didnt understand for 20 minutes?

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 17/09/2024 18:07

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

That is such a bizarre question- because when two people speak another language you dont understand they exclude you completely from the conversation. So why bother inviting someone out to leave them out? Surely this is pretty clear?

NotSoHotMess24 · 17/09/2024 18:08

If you had a bought drink the first time, it could conceivably be your turn to pay. I personally wouldn't just pay for my own drink, it's quite pointed and on the rude side, to be honest. Although I appreciate they were rude too, two rudes don't make a right and all that. Maybe it's partly a cultural thing? Re the turn taking / etiquette of who pays. I'm assuming you are from slightly different cultures, which of course I could be wrong about, but taking the cue from the language thing. IF this is the case, it might be a misunderstanding worth working through.

But as others have said, it sounds like a lot of hard work over £6!

Apolloneuro · 17/09/2024 18:17

No. Just no. Turn back to friendly colleagues.

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