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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

230 replies

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

OP posts:
Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 17/09/2024 16:26

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

I'd bin him off for that tbh. What a twat.

That being said, I'd have walked out of five minutes of them arguing - ignoring someone you have deliberately invited (i.e. you, OP) is bloody rude. Neither of them are worth your time. Can't believe you sat there for twenty minutes - that's the bit that boggles my mind the most!!!

Swissvisa · 17/09/2024 16:27

I’m not sure this was really about a £4 coffee tbh. It sounds like you were annoyed at their argument and probably gave off vibes that you didn’t really like her after that. Fairly or unfairly isn’t clear, but I think your boyfriend is annoyed that you made his friend feel like you didn’t like her. He maybe felt you were hostile.

It’s up to you to judge whether that’s the case and if you should apologise.

Choochoo21 · 17/09/2024 16:31

YABU

Someone buys all 3 of you a drink.
You don’t then expect them to buy the next round or say you’ll just buy your own.
That’s really rude of you.

They were a bit rude to argue in their mother tongue but if I was her and someone questioned my parenting then I would absolutely defend myself and this is easier to do in your first language.

I think you were also a bit rude not to make a fuss of her baby.

You have across as quite stand offish with her and she must have felt this too.

Do you have an issue with their friendship?
Or are you generally not great at meeting new people?

I would text her and say how lovely it was to meet her and how cute her baby is.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/09/2024 16:32

Miniopolis · 17/09/2024 15:27

I mean it’s as a simple as ‘you argued for 20 mins in a language I can’t understand and then you wanted me to buy you both a drink?’

This really.

I think I’d bin him at this point though

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 16:35

Miniopolis · 17/09/2024 15:27

I mean it’s as a simple as ‘you argued for 20 mins in a language I can’t understand and then you wanted me to buy you both a drink?’

Absolutely this!

Spyro48 · 17/09/2024 16:36

If this is his reaction to something so minor it's a no from me.

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/09/2024 16:36

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/09/2024 16:32

This really.

I think I’d bin him at this point though

Agreed. There’s something way too close about this friendship. He’s never going to see how rude they were.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 17/09/2024 16:36

I think all three of you should have perhaps been more cognisant of the need to oil the wheels of a new group dynamic and to put effort into being particularly inclusive. So no talking in a language one of the party doesn't know but also a few positive comments about the baby from OP and everyone being scrupulously fair and polite about who is paying for what.

He should definitely be more understanding about your feelings though. Have a word with him if you think it's worth persevering with the friendship.

Three can often be a crowd.

craigth162 · 17/09/2024 16:36

You all sound ridiculous

MeridianB · 17/09/2024 16:39

I wouldn't want to be with someone who treats me like this over a coffee. What a lot of exhausting nonsense - how would he react over something really serious in life?

It also sounds like he's super-involved with this girl and her baby. Definitely throw this one back.

MonsteraMama · 17/09/2024 16:39

Unless you're all 16 this is absolutely ridiculous.

Bin him off, it's not worth the drama!

CeffylCoch · 17/09/2024 16:42

The part that stood out for me is arguing with her about the way she is parenting her child! Way out of line, he sounds like a prick. Tell him to fuck off

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/09/2024 16:46

MeridianB · 17/09/2024 16:39

I wouldn't want to be with someone who treats me like this over a coffee. What a lot of exhausting nonsense - how would he react over something really serious in life?

It also sounds like he's super-involved with this girl and her baby. Definitely throw this one back.

Exactly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the coffee buying, getting in a sulk and bringing it up later is ridiculous.

Octavia64 · 17/09/2024 16:46

If I'd been invited for coffee and the two other people spent 20 mins arguing in another language I would have left.

Rude as fuck.

Dump him.

HollyKnight · 17/09/2024 16:46

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 16:17

What form do you suggest the fake interest in the baby should take, though? OP said she was judged for not cooing over the baby or asking to hold him/her, personally I think the friend was out of order there. Provided someone isn't being actively unfriendly, it isn't rude to not do these things.

Smile, ask questions, give compliments, talk to the baby etc. It's not difficult. I would say it is being actively unfriendly to not acknowledge a baby.

Usually when people meet important people in their partner's life for the first time they want to give a good impression.

birdling · 17/09/2024 16:48

He's very opinionated, isn't he?!
Don't think I'd want to be in a long term relationship with him.

GuestFeatu · 17/09/2024 16:49

He sounds cheap and boring and a bit weird.

diddl · 17/09/2024 16:50

If they regularly meet for coffee I'm not sure why it was Op's turn to buy any more than the other woman tbh.

I probably would have told them to keep to their "tradition" & I would buy my own.

Honestly arguing for 20mins about her child?

He sounds so over involved.

Hope you dump him Op.

forevernumb · 17/09/2024 16:52

He sounds far too involved with her and her baby! Move on.

Chessfan · 17/09/2024 16:52

Just tell him that their argument threw you right off and made you feel really off your game, and that you felt awkward because you didn't understand much. But that you'd love to meet up with her again, and that you're sure after one false start you and her will get on great.

That's if you can be bothered with their drama tbh!

amusedbush · 17/09/2024 16:59

birdling · 17/09/2024 16:48

He's very opinionated, isn't he?!
Don't think I'd want to be in a long term relationship with him.

That's what I was thinking. He seems to voice his every opinion on what other people are doing, and then has the gall to call OP nosy.

Fuck that.

OilLamp · 17/09/2024 17:00

Dump him. If you put up with this shitty behaviour now when it's supposed to be the fun bit think about the bug stuff you'd have to be putting up with down the line.

He shouldn't have said what he did to his friend
He shouldn't have been so stingy
He shouldn't have spoke in his own language shutting you out.
He shouldn't be waiting for you to apologise

It sounds like such a shit time. Dont apologise just let him go.

WhichEllie · 17/09/2024 17:00

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:38

It's deffo a strange dynamic between them and it does give me second thoughts about him. I don't get vibes that they fancy each other but from what he's said it's a toxic friendship, they argue every time they meet up and then make up. That's what he means by "sibling dynamic". He lends her money sometimes as she's not in the best situation and he sometimes babysits.

My friends said the dynamic was really fucking bizarre and they convinced themselves he was the father of the child and that they were both having me on. That isn't the case though, I am certain for the reason I mentioned in my OP.

I agree with your friends. Everything you’ve posted about them suggests more of a couple dynamic between them, where he wants a say about what happens with the baby (even though it’s not his) and she accepts money and help from him. Him claiming it’s a “sibling” relationship is a huge red flag. He knows it is more than friendship and is trying to excuse that to you. He knows he is too emotionally involved. When men describe a woman they are close to as “like a sister” it’s amazing how often that actually just means “I love her but don’t have sex with her (yet).”

I think you should run for the hills. It sounds like they will eventually end up together. Don’t be the woman whose partner ends up cheating on her with his “friend,” especially when you can see it coming so clearly before you’re even properly involved with him.

SpiderPlanter · 17/09/2024 17:02

Choochoo21 · 17/09/2024 16:31

YABU

Someone buys all 3 of you a drink.
You don’t then expect them to buy the next round or say you’ll just buy your own.
That’s really rude of you.

They were a bit rude to argue in their mother tongue but if I was her and someone questioned my parenting then I would absolutely defend myself and this is easier to do in your first language.

I think you were also a bit rude not to make a fuss of her baby.

You have across as quite stand offish with her and she must have felt this too.

Do you have an issue with their friendship?
Or are you generally not great at meeting new people?

I would text her and say how lovely it was to meet her and how cute her baby is.

But she had water, which would suggest it was free?

AmyDudley · 17/09/2024 17:03

He seems very keen on telling other people how they should behave - during one coffee session he has lorded it over two different women. He sounds full of his own importance, I'd tell him to bugger off, the arrogant tosser.

Actually I'd have got up and left when the two of them started having an argument in another language - who the hell has a 20 min argument when they are meeting a new person? Unbelievably rude expecting someone to sit awkwardly in silence while you have a row.