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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

OP posts:
Naunet · 17/09/2024 18:17

Choochoo21 · 17/09/2024 17:40

Yes of course.

I’d find it really rude if I was meeting a man for the first time and he barely acknowledged my child.

Why?!

Foxlovesfruit · 17/09/2024 18:18

Oh OP, they sound hard work and him having a pop at you over coffee buying is bizarre. The rude ones in this scenario are your boyfriend and his friend, switching to a language you don't understand. If the content of the argument was none of your business then he should not have invited you to join them. I don't think you were rude in the coffee buying scenario either. In future, just leave them to it.

Ohnobackagain · 17/09/2024 18:21

@timtamfan21 I’d get back in touch and explain how their behaviour came across. I think you could have bought the drinks but also why is she saying you have to coo over the baby? Sounds very tedious to me. Especially having their own row for ages.

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2024 18:36

I'd find it really rude if I was meeting a man for the first time and he barely acknowledged my child.

But it's perfectly possible to acknowledge someone's baby and be friendly to him or her without making an actual fuss of them. How much fuss would you be satisfied with, out of curiosity - would it be a case of block and delete if the person didn't gurgle over the baby or ask to hold him/her?

EI12 · 17/09/2024 18:44

So your main problem in all of that is who should have paid for coffee and who was rude? Not the giant big problem staring you in the face - i.e. this other woman third-wheeling in your relationship? Yeah, right, siblings dynamic.

Countingcactus · 17/09/2024 18:53

It sounds like a weird meet up, especially 20 mins of arguing in a language that you don’t understand - that’s obviously rude. But I would also find “I’ll get mine” quite weird and rude when only 3 people are out. Basically your choice was to pay for 1 drink (and drink 2) or pay for 3 drinks (and drink 2). I would definitely offer to pay for all 3, and assume all of this stuff should broadly average out in your life.

Gremlins101 · 17/09/2024 19:24

If he doesn't apologise, I'd keep him at arms length for a while. If he brings it up, you could tell him that you considered it quite rude that they argue in the their native language for so long, and behaved so petty over the coffee.

But also be honest with yourself about whether your account is as accurate objectively as it is from your indignant position. "Do as you would be done by, but 20% better, to allow for subjective error".

What's for you, won't pass you. So trust that if the relationship is good, he'll stick around.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 17/09/2024 19:48

They were both extremely, extremely rude towards you.

Isthisit22 · 17/09/2024 19:54

Way too much hassle for a new relationship. Throw this one back

WhatIsThisTomFoolery24 · 17/09/2024 19:55

I think its rather weird and cheeky of them to expect you to pay. I'd have done the same as you, paid for my own. In fact, I always "pay for my own", it just saves the headache and the keeping score of whose "turn" it is.

Cupooee · 17/09/2024 20:06

amusedbush · 17/09/2024 16:59

That's what I was thinking. He seems to voice his every opinion on what other people are doing, and then has the gall to call OP nosy.

Fuck that.

This.
He sounds a pain the arse.
Leave them to it.

PenelopePitStrop · 17/09/2024 20:26

Bloody hell, he had a 20 minute argument with a friend over her parenting choices?

Then had it out with you over the paying etc?

He sounds overbearing and argumentative.

But, ‘a water’ is usually close in cost to a coffee. And you were weird over paying.

LostittoBostik · 17/09/2024 20:32

I'm afraid your updates make me think that actually he probably is the father of the child. Or he's more involved in some way that he's not letting on.

Nodlikeyouwerelistening · 17/09/2024 20:39

Boltonb · 17/09/2024 14:46

I mean this all sounds very immature. But to cut a long story short.
•They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
•You were rude to be on your phone
•They were rude to expect you to pay, but equally it’s slightly rude to just buy your own
•He’s rude to have a go at you for finding the dynamic weird that he essentially created, and now he’s ignoring you.

Not seeing much of a future in such an immature relationship to be honest.

This, in a nutshell. Plus boyfriend (I’m assuming) is childless person criticizing someone else’s parenting choices. So immature and overstepping. Nice.

Cherrysoup · 17/09/2024 20:42

They were incredibly rude to row in their own language for so long, 20 minutes!! I’d have walked out, that’s such poor manners. You weren’t at fault, they were, big time. Don’t think he’s the one, OP, sorry, I wouldn’t tolerate that shit from a mate, let alone a dp.

Newsenmum · 17/09/2024 20:57

Errr no. Just no.

Newsenmum · 17/09/2024 20:58

Just remember that this is supposed to be the ‘honeymoon‘ period 😑he is going to get real annoying reaaaallly soon.

PenelopePitStrop · 17/09/2024 21:04

So when he had a go at you and said his friend thought you didn’t like her etc, did you explain just how rude and alienating their extended argument was?

Or is he the only one allowed to tell others how to behave?

Bollihobs · 17/09/2024 21:07

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

How on earth is it irrelevant that in a group of three people two of them spent 20 mins talking in a language OP doesn't speak???!!

Are you one of those people who screams "racism!!!" every time anyone dares to mention that....😱....people come from different countries and therefore can speak different languages or have different traditions or expectations......😱🤔

Crysti · 17/09/2024 21:10

They are both CF’s and were downright rude! I wouldn’t be spending time with either of them again! He invited you out to meet his friend then sat arguing with her for 20 mins in another language, ignoring you while you drank your tap water, then they expected you to pay for more coffees, he called you out in front of her about buying the coffees, then he’s called you nosy.

WTF

They sound like 2 wing nuts that you are better off never ever being around again. He has shown you who he his and what he thinks of you and what his priorities are. You are worth more than this OP.

Crysti · 17/09/2024 21:11

Newsenmum · 17/09/2024 20:58

Just remember that this is supposed to be the ‘honeymoon‘ period 😑he is going to get real annoying reaaaallly soon.

EXACTLY! If he’s like this now imagine what he’ll be like further down the line. Demanding controlling little dickhead if you ask me!

Hatty65 · 17/09/2024 21:19

Boltonb · 17/09/2024 14:46

I mean this all sounds very immature. But to cut a long story short.
•They were rude to be speaking a language you don’t understand
•You were rude to be on your phone
•They were rude to expect you to pay, but equally it’s slightly rude to just buy your own
•He’s rude to have a go at you for finding the dynamic weird that he essentially created, and now he’s ignoring you.

Not seeing much of a future in such an immature relationship to be honest.

All of this.

Crysti · 17/09/2024 21:25

PenelopePitStrop · 17/09/2024 20:26

Bloody hell, he had a 20 minute argument with a friend over her parenting choices?

Then had it out with you over the paying etc?

He sounds overbearing and argumentative.

But, ‘a water’ is usually close in cost to a coffee. And you were weird over paying.

It was a tap water and he was the one being weird expecting her to pay for him and his friend and then calling her out on it

Josette77 · 17/09/2024 21:28

Crysti · 17/09/2024 21:25

It was a tap water and he was the one being weird expecting her to pay for him and his friend and then calling her out on it

OP said it was bottled water.

I don't think it matters, either way he's an asshole.

Josette77 · 17/09/2024 21:29

If someone was arguing I'm front of me in a other language for 20 minutes, I'd be on my phone too. Why is this rude?