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Husband reactions in front of the kids

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 07:54

Bear with me…

My Husband swears a lot, we have an ongoing debate about it because it makes me so unhappy he constantly does this in front of the kids. We have a 6 month old baby and a 2 year old. The 2 year old is like a parrot, her language is amazing and she repeats everything back. Husband swears constantly in front of her. He is very uptight and reacts to everything, eg, a spec of ketchup on his top, a drop of a water on the floor, stubbing his toe, dropping something etc gets a “FK SAKE! SHT… Blcks” etc. Which is all the time. Often multiple times in a few minutes. he scraped his ankle last week and shouted “Fck a Cnt”. When I remind him please don’t swear in front of the kids he snaps and aggressively says things like “well I just cracked the fucking vase in the dishwasher etc” and explains why he swore. (Obviously there is always a reason and I’m not saying he is just shouting for no reason).

For context, we’ve had marriage problems lately and are in counselling and I have only just come home with the kids after staying at my parents house for 2 months because of the behaviour in front of the kids, arguing, and stress, mostly due to a work issue he has had which takes over every part of his life and no space for anything else (he’s been pushed out of his job and not been at work despite being paid still - no immediate financial worries). He made an effort for a few days but it seems to have gone straight back to how it was before.

Anyway, yesterday we had friends over they were late leaving and we were late putting the kids to bed. The bath was stressful as he kept walking to have a go at me for putting the blackout blind back up in the toddler room and that I would further damage the roller blind etc leaving the baby and Toddler in the bath (could still see them but not in grabbing distance). I said not to leave the kids to drown and he did go back but continued to shout at me through the bathroom door.

Bath ended and we did nappies and Pjamas etc and I left him to give toddler her milk and went up to the loft room to feed baby. A few minutes later he was screaming my name and swearing from the floor below “she’s being f*king sick! Projectile fking vomming! Get here now now! Where the fck are you”. I immediately unlatched baby and came downstairs with him, he’s just started crawling and can’t be left alone. Toddler sat in bed covered in sick and all over carpet. He continues “I needed you to get here fucking quicker” (it must have taken less than 25 seconds from shouting to me being stood there). My daughter starts crying. It makes me SO sad. All she needed was a cuddle, take her clothes off and put her back in the bath and kindness. Him shouting at me made her think she had done something wrong and caused a problem and she was crying at that, not because she had been sick. He started madly getting carpet cleaner and stuff and I said we needed to put the kids to bed first.

He says “I have always sworn, and you knew who I was before you married me. Swearing is an auto response and I can’t help it”. I say, he did lots of things before we were married, I wouldn’t expect him to do these things in front of our young children. He is very snobby (private school etc, often looks down on people and calls people “pikeys”). But surely swearing in front of your kids is rough and why doesn’t he care our daughter will pick this up and swear at nursery etc.

I guess my question is:

YANBU: This is unacceptable, he needs to stop swearing and reacting in front of the kids and if he doesn’t this will cause lasting damage and make daughter really insecure.

YABU: Everyone swears, it’s no big deal. He can’t help himself in stressful situations and give him a break.

OP posts:
muddlingthrou · 15/09/2024 08:16

Your poor kids ☹️ get out and don't look back!

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 15/09/2024 08:16

I hope you are posting this because you know you need to end the relationship and just need other people's validation. It’s not just the swearing. He’s told you he is not going to change, and continually demonstrates this is the case. I’m sorry OP.

JWhipple · 15/09/2024 08:18

He's aggressive and doesn't care about you or the kids

Also, being away from work on full pay? I'm guessing he's been suspended due to being investigated over his conduct and told you some story to cover that.

Unless he's able to stop being a hysterical aggressive swearing cunt at work. In which case he can help it. And is choosing to abuse the children and you.

Anyway, please get rid. Nothing he says or does is acceptable.

Jifmicroliquid · 15/09/2024 08:18

Why would any sane person want to raise their children around this aggressive and demanding man??

They are absorbing everything they see and hear. Do you think this is a good family life for them?

For the sake of your children, leave him.

andthat · 15/09/2024 08:20

Bestyearever2024 · 15/09/2024 08:14

See a solicitor tomorrow

Stop the couples counselling

Get divorced

Put your children first

This is the only response Op.

This man is going to mess up your children.

Whatineed · 15/09/2024 08:21

Skibidy · 15/09/2024 08:14

Hes out of order. I dont think i could live like this. Is he doing this on purpose (causing a scene and being dramatic over every single thing) so eventually you'll take over all jobs and he can go put his feet up??

This. How can you ever leave the kids with him when you need to?

It was a bit of vomit, it happens with kids from time to time. His reaction must've been terrifying for a toddler, and if I was being shouted at like that from another floor of the house I'd have been so panicked that something really life threatening had happened. So stressful.

I think you'd be better off alone.

Gallowayan · 15/09/2024 08:22

I would be seriously concerned. The low frustration tolerance and level of anger over ordinary day to day problems mean he is not suited to a parenting role.

Yes your kids will be damaged and yes you should leave .

Happii · 15/09/2024 08:22

Sounds like he makes no effort to adapt to being a parent. I am sure most of us inwardly swear when we are covered in vomit but as you say, you give them a cuddle, reassure them and get them cleaned up and clean sheets on etc and then when they're clean and content exhale or whatever. Why some men think women love this part of parenting and don't ever think oh bloody hell inwardly whilst doing what's best for the child is baffling.

I agree with others, swearing isn't great by any stretch but doesn't sound like the biggest issue here.

thereiscustardinthejamtart · 15/09/2024 08:23

The swearing is a red herring.

I can imagine a man just like him, acting aggressively the way he does but not saying a single swear word. He’s still be a horrible abusive man.

I can also imagine a kind a gentle man, handling those situations calmly and with grace, and just happening to use swear words in his vocabulary.

“Awww crap, she’s been sick. Come here for a cuddle little one and let’s get you changed. What will we do with this fucking mess, baby girl? You sit there in a blanket while daddy gets clean sheets, and then we’ll get you back in the bath. This is all a bit shit, isn’t it?.”

I know which I would prefer!

Shoxfordian · 15/09/2024 08:25

He's aggressive and angry, the swearing isn't the issue
Go back to your parents if you can

LakieLady · 15/09/2024 08:30

Thatsajokeright · 15/09/2024 07:57

I don't think the swearing is the issue. It's the aggression.

Absolutely this. His behaviour sounds appalling, but it's the shouting and aggressive over-reactions that bother me, not the swearing.

My parents were fantastic potty mouths, but I was taught from an early age that some words weren't acceptable in certain situations, and learned never to say "fuck" at school, in front of my grandmother or my Auntie Eileen.

Mamabear999 · 15/09/2024 08:31

I actually got stressed reading your post. You must be walking on egg shells. He is a grown man and cannot deal with his own child being sick while you are breastfeeding. I would 💯 be out the door. He sounds just awful 🥲

Butterfly43 · 15/09/2024 08:31

Yeah agree with PPs, it's not just the swearing but the level of aggression. That would frighten most people, can't imagine how scared a tiny two year old would feel being exposed to that. He needs to change his behaviour immediately or you need to get the kids away from him. Yelling that you needed to get there quicker is also bullshit, what would he have done if you'd been out of the house? He sounds awful.

partridgeinasweartree · 15/09/2024 08:35

How scary for your children. That's a no from me, I would pick up my little kids, leave and not look back.

MSLRT · 15/09/2024 08:35

Pack your bags and go back to your mums. This man is a bully and a monster. How close is he to lashing out do you think? You need to put your children first and get them away from this abusive man.

GoodAfternoonTea · 15/09/2024 08:39

I don't know his reactions in front of the kids, it's his reaction in general and the word reaction. He should be responding calmly and not using his shouting voice to control and command despite the fact that he is in a difficult position. This is a no brainer. If he is capable of understanding you need to sit him down and tell him exactly how you feel and what you expect. If he is incapable of understanding that, then you need to reconsider your future with him. Do you want to spend the rest of your life with a man who can't deal with a life changing situation and why should you allow yourself to be shouted at? What is it with women who allow their ego driven male partners to shout at them? My neighbour had a shouting sesh at his little wife the other day at 4.15 in the afternoon that lasted for ten minutes. I don't care how angry or stressed these domineering men are, they need to learn self control and compromise or the marriage won't survive.

Saschka · 15/09/2024 08:42

thereiscustardinthejamtart · 15/09/2024 08:23

The swearing is a red herring.

I can imagine a man just like him, acting aggressively the way he does but not saying a single swear word. He’s still be a horrible abusive man.

I can also imagine a kind a gentle man, handling those situations calmly and with grace, and just happening to use swear words in his vocabulary.

“Awww crap, she’s been sick. Come here for a cuddle little one and let’s get you changed. What will we do with this fucking mess, baby girl? You sit there in a blanket while daddy gets clean sheets, and then we’ll get you back in the bath. This is all a bit shit, isn’t it?.”

I know which I would prefer!

Yep - DH swears more than I would like him to in front of DS, but it is stuff like “oh Christ there’s fucking sick everywhere - poor DS! Have a cuddle and let’s get you cleaned up” all said in a calm and caring tone of voice.

Totally different.

permanently · 15/09/2024 08:42

No one can live around that level of aggression without being damaged.

Your children will copy his language/behaviour.

Change is good. It takes a strong person to change. If he can't control what comes out of his mouth, he is telling you he is unwilling to change for his family.

Time to make him realise he needs to adapt or you will remove yourselves from the situation.

He really needs to grow up.

My ExH was privately educated and thought every situation could be treated with aggression. Huge ego, masking low self esteem, couldn't laugh at himself etc. Now controls our adult DC by swearing, shouting, drama triangles, mind games...

Your DH sounds so predictable and boring! You deserve better.

I have a friend who has had 25 years of similar behaviour. When I hear her talk to him in company, he is silently seething and she is trying to keep him calm so he doesn't blow his top. It's their dynamic. Don't let it be yours X

Hohofortherobbers · 15/09/2024 08:43

This is awful! Your poor dc hearing that and feeling scared. Neither you or they should be living such stressful lives under this tyrant. Leave!

MatildaTheCat · 15/09/2024 08:43

You must know that not one single person will suggest you stay with this manipulative, abusive man. Do you see how he’s making it your fault the children were subject to this horror show? ‘You should have come down more quickly,’

The fact that he’s is behaving like this when you have already had a significant separation and ( presumably he promised you change) are in therapy is actually quite scary in terms of just how few boundaries he has.

Pack your stuff and go. Dont try and have any kind of conversation. If you think he’s likely to kick off then call a trusted male friend or the police to help you.

Im very sorry you are in this position but do what is right for you and the children and get away. The peace and freedom will be fabulous.

Andwegoroundagain · 15/09/2024 08:46

The swearing, whilst unnecessary, is something I might be able to live with.
I could not live with someone screaming for me to "get here now" because they couldnt deal with vomit and not recognising when their child needs a hug.

He doesn't sound like a kind person

StuckOnTheCeiling · 15/09/2024 08:50

The swearing in front of the kids is grim but a red herring.

You need to leave, and this time stay away, because he is aggressive and selfish.

Crystallizedring · 15/09/2024 08:52

Well most people do swear but that's not really the issue is it?
He's shouting and sounds aggressive and is making your children cry. He also can't care for his kids m. Who the hell leaves a baby and toddler alone in the bath? Who begins screaming and swearing because their child has been sick,?
I think you should take the kids to your parents and don't go back to your husband again. He doesn't care enough to change. You gave him a second chance and he blew it
Also when your toddler swears at nursery/playground/school tell him he can go and speak to the teachers and explain to them why he doesn't care about a 2 year old swearing.
I'm not perfect. I swear but try very hard not to Infront of the kids and certainly not the way your husband does.
Just for the record as he "can't help" swearing does he do it Infront of your parents? His parents? To his boss or clients at work? If the answer is no then of course he can help it (noone needs to sweat).

MichaelAndEagle · 15/09/2024 08:52

This is who he is, he's not going to change.
I agree with everyone else, its not the swearing as such, its the aggression. And I find that inability to cope with lifes irritations pathetic to be honest.

PinotPony · 15/09/2024 08:54

This isn't about the swearing. It's about a man who can't control his temper.

I'd imagine that your children are probably quite frightened of him when he kicks off like that.

Are you frightened of him? That the verbal aggression might one day spill over into physical aggression?

Please take your children back to your mum's and away from this toxic environment.