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Husband reactions in front of the kids

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 07:54

Bear with me…

My Husband swears a lot, we have an ongoing debate about it because it makes me so unhappy he constantly does this in front of the kids. We have a 6 month old baby and a 2 year old. The 2 year old is like a parrot, her language is amazing and she repeats everything back. Husband swears constantly in front of her. He is very uptight and reacts to everything, eg, a spec of ketchup on his top, a drop of a water on the floor, stubbing his toe, dropping something etc gets a “FK SAKE! SHT… Blcks” etc. Which is all the time. Often multiple times in a few minutes. he scraped his ankle last week and shouted “Fck a Cnt”. When I remind him please don’t swear in front of the kids he snaps and aggressively says things like “well I just cracked the fucking vase in the dishwasher etc” and explains why he swore. (Obviously there is always a reason and I’m not saying he is just shouting for no reason).

For context, we’ve had marriage problems lately and are in counselling and I have only just come home with the kids after staying at my parents house for 2 months because of the behaviour in front of the kids, arguing, and stress, mostly due to a work issue he has had which takes over every part of his life and no space for anything else (he’s been pushed out of his job and not been at work despite being paid still - no immediate financial worries). He made an effort for a few days but it seems to have gone straight back to how it was before.

Anyway, yesterday we had friends over they were late leaving and we were late putting the kids to bed. The bath was stressful as he kept walking to have a go at me for putting the blackout blind back up in the toddler room and that I would further damage the roller blind etc leaving the baby and Toddler in the bath (could still see them but not in grabbing distance). I said not to leave the kids to drown and he did go back but continued to shout at me through the bathroom door.

Bath ended and we did nappies and Pjamas etc and I left him to give toddler her milk and went up to the loft room to feed baby. A few minutes later he was screaming my name and swearing from the floor below “she’s being f*king sick! Projectile fking vomming! Get here now now! Where the fck are you”. I immediately unlatched baby and came downstairs with him, he’s just started crawling and can’t be left alone. Toddler sat in bed covered in sick and all over carpet. He continues “I needed you to get here fucking quicker” (it must have taken less than 25 seconds from shouting to me being stood there). My daughter starts crying. It makes me SO sad. All she needed was a cuddle, take her clothes off and put her back in the bath and kindness. Him shouting at me made her think she had done something wrong and caused a problem and she was crying at that, not because she had been sick. He started madly getting carpet cleaner and stuff and I said we needed to put the kids to bed first.

He says “I have always sworn, and you knew who I was before you married me. Swearing is an auto response and I can’t help it”. I say, he did lots of things before we were married, I wouldn’t expect him to do these things in front of our young children. He is very snobby (private school etc, often looks down on people and calls people “pikeys”). But surely swearing in front of your kids is rough and why doesn’t he care our daughter will pick this up and swear at nursery etc.

I guess my question is:

YANBU: This is unacceptable, he needs to stop swearing and reacting in front of the kids and if he doesn’t this will cause lasting damage and make daughter really insecure.

YABU: Everyone swears, it’s no big deal. He can’t help himself in stressful situations and give him a break.

OP posts:
DrummingMousWife · 15/09/2024 15:26

Swearing itself is not the problem here. It’s his aggression and him terrifying the kids with his overreaction to everything. End the relationship and only allow supervised contact in a contact centre - the kids will not be safe with alone.

wellington77 · 15/09/2024 15:32

Do you think you will leave him or are you undecided yet?

PussInBin20 · 15/09/2024 15:38

God, what an arsehole. Your poor kids. So what if your child vomits - that’s what kids do! I Think you should follow through and leave him. Maybe this is what he wants but just won’t say it?

WhistPie · 15/09/2024 15:53

Believe me, your children will think a lot less of you, even despise you, in 20 years or so for allowing them to be brought up in an atmosphere like this

Pallisers · 15/09/2024 16:02

Well, I can see why his work are managing him out.

Sorry, OP, but this is going to get worse - not better. He doesn't even want to try to stop swearing. But like others I think the swearing is a red herring (a pretty awful red herring). Why could he not deal with vomiting without being aggressive to you and making you come downstairs? He is an aggressive, angry man. Your children deserve a better home life than this.

Benten7686 · 15/09/2024 16:07

I recognise so much of what you’re saying in my soon to be ex husband!! He too shouted at me when our daughter vomited all over him on a bus and I wasn’t quick enough at helping him, we are now sooooo much happier without him.
with us it escalated to him waving his fist in my face whilst screaming at me because I stopped him from grabbing our daughter out of the bath whilst screaming at her for splashing.
all I can say is leave him!!! Your poor little girl being upset after being sick makes me so sad.

Cherrysoup · 15/09/2024 16:14

No idea why you came back?

Borgonzola · 15/09/2024 16:15

He sounds absolutely horrible

sunseaandsoundingoff · 15/09/2024 16:30

DrummingMousWife · 15/09/2024 15:26

Swearing itself is not the problem here. It’s his aggression and him terrifying the kids with his overreaction to everything. End the relationship and only allow supervised contact in a contact centre - the kids will not be safe with alone.

This, plus the kids growing up thinking it's normal for people to talk to each other like that (especially men talking to women).

Presumably he caused his own problem at work as well.

AzureSheep · 15/09/2024 16:42

Op, the more you say, the worse this is getting. You know you need to leave. I also think you need to leave before his mysterious work issue results in him being let go. They don’t pay people to not go to work unless there’s a very serious issue to investigate. He is not going to take that well, and you and the children will bear the brunt of that. He’s already been physically aggressive (throwing your suitcase, stepping up to you), it won’t take much before he crosses the line.

BarbaraWoodlouse1 · 15/09/2024 17:12

He sounds like a big baby! Children need peaceful homes to allow them to grow. Time for him to calm down and grow up or toddle off away from you with his tantrums. Good luck.

Jeschara · 15/09/2024 17:26

Why are you with this wretch? His work place has his number, he creates negative vibes, probably shouts and swears when things don't go his way, always complaining things are unfair, his work colleagues and management are sick of him but sounds like he does not get away with it.

You went back to this individual, and things are still the same, time to move out and not go back, you deserve better and so do the children.

sillylittlerabbit · 15/09/2024 17:27

Throwing your suitcase across the room is already extraordinarily aggressive.

Do you think you've perhaps acclimatised to his levels of anger?

It sounds like his work isn't tolerating it any longer, and I wouldn't, either.

I genuinely don't believe someone who is ranting and raving, throwing things and raising his fist is far away from physical violence.

What if one of the children pushes his buttons a bit too much?

EmeraldDreams73 · 15/09/2024 17:46

This is a toxic environment for you and the children. Swearing is one thing but actually the shouting and aggression are a bigger problem. The atmosphere must be one of you walking on eggshells to avoid setting him off. Please seriously consider your future with this man, he's way out of line and being a shit father and husband.

NotNowGertrude · 15/09/2024 18:54

You left due to his swearing & aggression

Now you're back & he's still swearing & aggressive

Surely you leave again ASAP

Orangepolentacake · 15/09/2024 23:51

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:09

I don’t think he is close to lashing out. Before I left when he was having the breakdown type thing he did raised his arm, balled fist etc and stepped towards me, threw my suitcase across the room but I still genuinely didn’t believe he would ever do that. He’s never hit anyone / been hit in his life. Again, posh boy. He would probably miss to be honest.

why are you minimising his aggressive behaviour towards you?

nOasistickets · 16/09/2024 00:06

Your poor poor children. Don’t do this to them - don’t make them grow up with someone like this. You’re their mother - protect them. The way you try and make excuses for him is gross - he is damaging your children- do you want your daughter to think this is OK?

FoxesSox · 16/09/2024 07:09

nOasistickets · 16/09/2024 00:06

Your poor poor children. Don’t do this to them - don’t make them grow up with someone like this. You’re their mother - protect them. The way you try and make excuses for him is gross - he is damaging your children- do you want your daughter to think this is OK?

Edited

I think you’re confused. No where have I made any excuses for him. I’ve just given context.

OP posts:
lastgreat · 16/09/2024 09:43

I think the shouting and anger is way worse than the swearing (although obviously not ideal in front of a toddler).

My dad was an angry man, as a child I'd get horrifically car sick and we'd go on holidays that involved long drives. I'd inevitably be sick and dad would shout at me. I started trying to catch the sick in my hands so I wouldn't get shouted at. When you are sick and little you just want someone to look after you, not shout.

Happii · 16/09/2024 09:45

FoxesSox · 16/09/2024 07:09

I think you’re confused. No where have I made any excuses for him. I’ve just given context.

You said he's never hit anyone and never would, yet he raised his fist to you and threw your suitcase across the room? Please safeguard your children from this man.

MartinsSpareCalculator · 16/09/2024 09:49

Swearing and shouting are hard lines in the sand for me and I won't tolerate them.

It sounds as though you don't want to tolerate them either, so why are you? What do you personally get from being in a relationship with this man who treats you appallingly and frightens your children?

LostTheMarble · 16/09/2024 09:51

It’s not the swearing, it’s the impatience and aggression. Few are saintly enough never to have let out a bad word in front of a child. I was in a near miss in the car and my autistic son (who was sat in the back) has only just stop saying ‘fuck!’ as a repetition - something I was mortified about. He’s an angry man who cannot control himself or be calm around small children who will inevitably cause moments of chaos, he needs to recognise this immediately.

You need to leave, but unfortunately the other side is him then having unsupervised contact with the children. You have to raise that when arranging custody.

Pacificisolated · 16/09/2024 10:01

If you can stay with your family, I would recommend you do so ASAP. Speak with a solicitor and see how long you need to live in this location before it is considered the children’s home. Do not tell your husband that you intend it to be permanent. The last thing you want when you split up is to be trapped in your current location, away from your support network so he can have convenient contact with his kids.

You know this relationship is over. You cannot continue to expose your children to his behaviour. He is completely unreasonable and not interested in changing.

Conniebygaslight · 16/09/2024 11:55

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:13

I honestly don’t know how to get him to see how close I am to leaving. I left with our children for two months and moved out. And he still thinks “you’ll never leave me”. I will.

I came back because I thought with the counselling and his CBT we had a shot. I guess I was wrong. He says I expect too much.

You can't get him to see anything OP.....None of us can change anyone else.
What matters here is what your DD sees and experiences, you have a choice, she doesn't and she needs you to step up for her right now.

Changeiscomingthisyear · 16/09/2024 12:39

FoxesSox · 16/09/2024 07:09

I think you’re confused. No where have I made any excuses for him. I’ve just given context.

I think you have. You’ve talked about him stressed about work, his educational background. You left for a few months and came back and he is still abusing your children. He doesn’t want to acknowledge what he is doing because he has no plans to change.