To think men should understand how unsafe women feel?

[Fraudornot]

So on a works night out and had to get home - I feel unsafe wandering around our large city centre at night on my own to get home. Men who I consider to be fairly aware don’t even think of this as an issue - how to ensure female employees feel safe to get home. What are others experience of this? I’m keen to know what the norm is and if we should all be aware of how women feel getting home after a night out in a city centre. Or should it just be up to us to make sure we can get a taxi. I feel there might well be a pile on about sort yourself out don’t rely on men. But surely we should all ensure the safety of the whole group.

I agree with you about the big tall guys being targeted. I don't think people realise how prevalent that is and the sad thing is if the big guy hits back he tends to get the blame.

We don't all feel unsafe getting ourselves home though. But of a generalisation

But the OP asked why men don't consider women's safety followed by a whole load of responses saying they don't need to, that men are more at danger of being attacked by a man, that it's more dangerous for men to be out there than a woman etc

When I and a few others pointed out that woman do feel fearful and can also be attacked, assaulted etc.by men, it was instantly dismissed and reframed as women being wallflowers, week and fearful and that actually women don't carry this fear and advice for women to stay safe was reframed as nonsense and not needed.

Yet we are expected to bow down and apologise for offending men and their apologisers for painting men in any sort of negative light ever

Ok then, fair enough

question ‘why don’t men consider women’s safety?’

answer ‘many do, but on here you all just like to talk about the bad ones’

Are you not a feminist yourself? I am always fascinated to know why anyone would identify specifically as not feminist.

On MN feminist essentially means hating men.

As long as you'd say the same to big Bethany there's no issue.

Being a dick to both of them equally, is still better than being a dick to one of them.

Handmaidens is such a horrible term which is designed to shut up women

If Karen is unacceptable then Handmaidens should be too

No.

I've just been on a works night out.

It never even crossed my mind how they got home.

They're all adults

I don't feel safe in taxis these days either.

You're in a car with a man you don't know, late at night.

There have been two stories in my local newspaper recently, about taxi drivers raping women.

And for a certain poster demanding answers... you still haven't answered my question to you either...

But according to posters on here, there is no issue with women's safety where men are concerned. Many posters on here have said women don't need to be extra cautious or take precautions.

One even belittled other women who.may feel fear going home alone at night then in the next breath said her, her husband and her 21 year-old son all sit down and route plane safe ways for him to get home because of how dangerous men are

But as I first answered, everyone is responsible for getting themselves home but men don't worry about women's safety because it doesn't register with them.

Apparently I'm wrong and men need protecting because they are scared of being attacked whereas women are ridiculous for having that fear

But a handmaiden describes someone who upholds the patriarchy of behalf of men?

Or do you prefer the term male apologists?

What would you like to be called?

Of course it does. It's a lazy way of responding because they don't like what they hear.

And it's usually men and their apologists that use this phrase.

It goes hand in hand with all the negative terms to describe women and keep them in place.

A man would be described as powerful and breaking down walls to make a change, a woman is hysterical and full of hate.

Most men would probably still be up for burning witches if they could get away with it

Women?

Because we have different views doesn't make us handmaidens

It's just one of those terms used to silence women who are considered to "women wrong"

But a handmaiden describes someone who upholds the patriarchy of behalf of men?

No it doesn't. Historically, a handmaiden was a servant to the lady of the house.

You using it as a childish insult, doesn't change that.

I think all the women should stick together and ensure each other are safe.
I think men ‘should’ be aware, but they’re not…t hey just think we’re being hysterical…

You are doing it wrong if you're a woman that supports the patriarchy though.

How can you think you're doing it right to support a group that actively oppresses your own sex?

Yes, it's a vile phrase used by women who hate women whose thoughts and behaviour they can't control.

Much like the equally childish 'cool wives' trotted out by some on MN because again, they can't control the thoughts and actions of other women.

But in feminist terms, a handmaiden is someone who serves and upholds the patriarchy.

Funny how that word bothers you but the other insults on here to attempt to silence women don't bother you.

No one has belittle women who are scared. Saying that lumping all women together as scared and fearful and needing men to arrange their transport home isn't accurate and that some of us are actually quite comfortable walking around town at night isn't belittling them or saying no women need to be scared.

Most comments are essentially "don't lump all women together, some of us are comfortable walking around at night. We don't need men to arrange things for us. We can book our own taxi. People should be sensible and plan for getting home before they leave"

Then there's plenty saying "if a colleague was stuck because they'd missed a bus/were too drunk etc then obviously we'd step in"

And pointing out that men need to be careful too and that they are actually more likely to be attacked by a stranger isn't saying women are acting irrationally or pretending men aren't shit...

You're just twisting things to go on a crusade against men and trying to shut women up with different opinions by using offensive terms