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To ask how to negotiate Christmas with exwife

185 replies

mistletoeandwine86 · 13/09/2024 10:20

I’ve been with my partner for 2 years and we both have 2 children each from our previous marriages.
This year it is my turn to have my children for Christmas week then they go to my ex husband’s place for the second week of the holidays. The plan was to have Christmas all together the 6 of us for the week starting the 23rd, then they would go back to their mum and then my partner and I have booked a mini break just the 2 of us over new year.
Except now partners ex has thrown a spanner in the works and said we cannot have the children then. She wants partner to have them the following week so she can work and hit the roof when my partner said we weren’t around.
I feel like the ex wife just uses my partner for childcare but he isn’t allowed special days like Christmas. My partner has never had the children for Christmas week, they have always been with their mum and my partner has just seen gone to see them on Christmas morning or has had them on Boxing Day etc but they’ve never woken up at his house on Christmas morning.
My partner is unwilling to fight it but I am so upset because we had it all planned out.
AIBU and how can we negotiate with her?

OP posts:
ratherbesurfing · 13/09/2024 11:39

It doesn’t sound like you discussed this with ex wife, but decided that this would be a nice thing to do. If that’s the case I don’t think you have a leg to stand on.

If I’ve interpreted correctly, you unilaterally decided to change the longstanding arrangements for Christmas.

BetterWithPockets · 13/09/2024 11:44

I can’t help feeling some of the responses on here would be different (as is often the case) if the OP’s partner was female. There are several elements to the post, I realise (the holiday, the agreement they’ve previously had etc, the OP’s reference to childcare), but there are also people very quick to suggest the dad’s DC probably don’t want to spend Christmas with him as they don’t live with him… That seems like quite a reach to me (they might be also be desperate to spend Christmas with him for all we know!), and not the point of the post…

AGoingConcern · 13/09/2024 11:45

Saltnpeppeh · 13/09/2024 11:32

2 sides to it.... should he have checked her availability? Probably, healthy co-parenting would be to check with one another. Is she changing the plans that have been like that for years, yes it sounds like. Its a tough one.

No, she’s not changing the plans that have been like that for years. It’s OP (and her partner, to an unclear extent) who are trying to do that. The kids have never spent Christmas with their dad before.

needsomewarmsunshine · 13/09/2024 11:46

Sadly OP this isn't your call and it's not about what you want. Concentrate on your own dc and their christmas. Accept the fact your partner doesn't seem that bothered about 'special days' and christmas.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/09/2024 11:47

Agree with others - this needed discussing before you booked the holiday

You can’t just assume the kids’ mum will be happy with year on/ year off, it needed to be discussed before you “had it all planned out”.

Rewis · 13/09/2024 11:47

When was this plan agreed and who were involved in the planning?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/09/2024 11:49

To be blunt, it also sounds like the main reason you want the kids for Xmas is that you wanted it to fit in with your kids’ schedule and to give you a child free NY. That’s not a good reason. It might well be better for your partner’s kids to have some time with him where there aren’t other children present, and they don’t have to fit in with them.

Sounds more like you want to use her for childcare than the other way around, and a holiday certainly doesn’t trump work.

I read this wrong a first and assumed you’d actually spoken to her before making these plans!

Bellaboo01 · 13/09/2024 11:51

mistletoeandwine86 · 13/09/2024 10:20

I’ve been with my partner for 2 years and we both have 2 children each from our previous marriages.
This year it is my turn to have my children for Christmas week then they go to my ex husband’s place for the second week of the holidays. The plan was to have Christmas all together the 6 of us for the week starting the 23rd, then they would go back to their mum and then my partner and I have booked a mini break just the 2 of us over new year.
Except now partners ex has thrown a spanner in the works and said we cannot have the children then. She wants partner to have them the following week so she can work and hit the roof when my partner said we weren’t around.
I feel like the ex wife just uses my partner for childcare but he isn’t allowed special days like Christmas. My partner has never had the children for Christmas week, they have always been with their mum and my partner has just seen gone to see them on Christmas morning or has had them on Boxing Day etc but they’ve never woken up at his house on Christmas morning.
My partner is unwilling to fight it but I am so upset because we had it all planned out.
AIBU and how can we negotiate with her?

He isnt being used for 'childcare' - they are his children!!

She is working which is pretty important. Just move your booking for the break that is just the two of you to another time or take the children with you.

caringcarer · 13/09/2024 11:53

My exh was an absolute ass through our divorce but he did agree to our 3 DC spending Xmas Eve and Xmas day with me each year and he had Boxing Day and 27th and he brought them back around lunch time on 28th. I know he only agreed to this in court because he didn't want to have to do Xmas stockings for DC or cook Xmas dinner but I was hugely grateful to him for that. It sounds like your partner is happy with his exw doing stockings and cooking Xmas dinner for his kids. I know my exh felt guilty because he had an affair which ended our 20 years marriage. Could your partner feel guilty so let's exw have DC on Xmas day?

ActualChips · 13/09/2024 11:53

BetterWithPockets · 13/09/2024 11:44

I can’t help feeling some of the responses on here would be different (as is often the case) if the OP’s partner was female. There are several elements to the post, I realise (the holiday, the agreement they’ve previously had etc, the OP’s reference to childcare), but there are also people very quick to suggest the dad’s DC probably don’t want to spend Christmas with him as they don’t live with him… That seems like quite a reach to me (they might be also be desperate to spend Christmas with him for all we know!), and not the point of the post…

How would that work? You think a situation where a mother barely ever parented her kids and wasn't interested in having them for Christmas, but her new boyfriend wanted to change that- that would receive different replies??

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/09/2024 11:53

@mistletoeandwine86 You say "the plan was" for you to do this and then you and your partner booked a mini break. What do you mean by "the plan was"? Did you actually agree something with your partner's ex wife and now she wants to change the plan? Or did you book a holiday when the plan wasn't yet confirmed? It makes a big difference.

Saltnpeppeh · 13/09/2024 11:55

AGoingConcern · 13/09/2024 11:45

No, she’s not changing the plans that have been like that for years. It’s OP (and her partner, to an unclear extent) who are trying to do that. The kids have never spent Christmas with their dad before.

Edited

I misread.

OP when you say the plan was to have them Christmas week....was that arranged with their Mum? Did she agree to that?

Meadowfinch · 13/09/2024 11:58

So you haven't bothered to ask his children what they prefer - at Christmas !

Your dp and his ex have had a perfectly amicable arrangement for years that supported his shift work, and now you make plans to change it without consulting her.

Your dp is unbothered and doesn't want to argue over it.

YAB completely U.

She wants to work the other week and she's single. What does she do for a living?

Endoftheroad12345 · 13/09/2024 11:59

This is beyond delusion @mistletoeandwine86 YANBVU

My DC are nearly 10 and 6, I’ve been split from exH nearly two years, he does EoW and fuck all actual parenting. He’s never so much as wrapped a present for Christmas. Over my dead body is he ever taking them on Christmas. I let him take the kids away at Easter because his sister was visiting from overseas and the Easter bunny didn’t come.

Sounds like your partner has done sweet FA for his kids for Christmas historically and has been happy to dump the work on his ex but now has lined up someone (you) (and probably his mum too) do the Christmas admin and mental load so thought he might as well have a crack at having the kids at Christmas.

To be fair to him it sounds like he knows he’s been an absolute piss taker hence not wanting to have the argument with the exW.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 13/09/2024 12:02

AIBU and how can we negotiate with her?

There is no we. Your boyfriend's arrangements with his ex are nothing to do with you. Stop trying to blend two families - it doesn't work - and let the children enjoy Christmas with their respective parents, not with boyfriends/girlfriends and their kids.

Endoftheroad12345 · 13/09/2024 12:02

… and the long suffering exW has also been nice enough to host him on Christmas day so he can spend time with his kids on the day and the kids don’t have to shuttle between mum and dad and yet she “only uses him for childcare”… WTAF am I reading

Overcover · 13/09/2024 12:03

My partner is unwilling to fight it but I am so upset because we had it all planned out.

This is all down to him, the only negotiating you have to do is with him. If he doesn't want to try and change things, that's it.

Moretetrafish · 13/09/2024 12:05

How can you claim the ex uses your partner for childcare when he doesn't have them 50% of the time? He isn't doing enough. The bottom line is your partner isn't willing to change it and childcare arrangements are not your business, so you organise your trip for another time when he is free.

Snugglemonkey · 13/09/2024 12:11

mistletoeandwine86 · 13/09/2024 10:35

Tbf we haven’t asked what the kids think.

My partner has them every other weekend and sees them for one full evening during the week plus does 4/5 school runs a week. There is no formal arrangement.

I’m asking on how my partner can negotiate and come to a compromise that we are all happy with.

The kids are fine together. We are going to go to his parents house and spend Christmas Eve and Christmas Day there. Their house is plenty big enough for all of us with spare rooms for all of us. My partner said ex wife was concerned about how we would do stockings which just seems like an excuse. We are perfectly capable of sorting stockings etc!

Not being funny, but will you do the stocking just right? The way she does? Because that is what the kids will expect and want. Will you be Santa like her, or will you do somewhat shakes their belief? ⁹Did your partner do half of that stuff when they were together?

MidnightPatrol · 13/09/2024 12:12

What do the children want to do?

NothingThat · 13/09/2024 12:17

You sound like my divorced BIL.
I could not stand my ex SIL, but she always put the kids first. My BIL and his new partner are constantly re writing the rules, sifting responsibility to further their careers and max out on as they always put it ' well deserved child free time'.
I get that DH &I had pre children time to bond and have fun but there's something wrong in wanting all the kids in a blended family bend to this goal for a couple of 40somethings to go to Marrakech, again.
I have suggested to DH that we divorce so we can go away together on our childfree weekends but he's not sure our imaginary new partners will be willing to let us do that while they look after our kids for us.

Findmebythesea1 · 13/09/2024 12:22

How old are the children? Tbh I can understand the mums reluctance if his never done Christmas before, most mums put a lot of effort for ‘the Santa experience.’ She’s probably worried they’ll have a crap day.

IridescentShadow · 13/09/2024 12:30

I've found these posting really harsh on the OP: both she/her DP AND the Children's Mother seem to have made plans/assumptions about Christmas without co-ordinating with each other, so why is she getting all the flack? She also has Children and contact patterns to work around, and it isn't wrong to want time alone as a Couple.

And to the person who said it is none of her business; whilst the contact is between the Parents, I'm deeply empathetic having been in the position where provisional plans my DP & I have made have been over-set and finalised by DP's ExW without reference to me/my AL/my Children (I know that's a DP problem ...).

FWIW, I think "childcare" refers to the fruatration that her DP doesn't get a share of the Special Occasions but is expected to be around when his ExW wants things facilitated, regardless of all the other aspects of his own life (his Work; his Partner; other Children). The ExW isn't sounding very Child-focused, either.

ChampagneBlossom44 · 13/09/2024 12:32

Crikey OP, if they’d never had a year on / year off system for Christmas, you’ve approached this to almost set yourself up for failure. This is something that should have been raised months ago, not 3 months away.

from mums perspective it’s very convenient that he never asked for Christmas until he became a big happy family with someone else. I’m not saying that’s how it is, I’m saying that’s how it feels for her.

Even the lowest conflict mother would be upset to hear that someone has unilaterally decided that the standing arrangement of her having her children with her for Christmas is being challenged.

she hasn’t thrown a spanner in the works, that’s your household throwing the spanners.

this needs to be a discussion and really should be approached sensitively & from a place of what’s fair & best for the children.

what do the children want?

I’m a step-parent, not a mother. I put up with some absolutely mad shit from DHs ex girlfriend. I don’t love the woman for many reasons. But I do have empathy & I know it hurts her when her kids aren’t with her Christmas Day, it’s been an arrangement to rotate ever since they broke up long before I or her husband came on the scene & almost a decade later it still upsets her to not have them there (not that she’d have the same empathy for DH mind, he generally gets a barrage of abuse by text throughout the day for daring to want to speak with the kids Xmas morning when it’s ‘her’ turn). But whatever feelings I may have for the woman she’s the kids mum & if she’s struggling it affects the kids. Please try & put yourself in her shoes. It sounds like you & your ex have been really sensible but it hasn’t happened that way for her & your DP. She’s probably very surprised by all this.

initiate a proper conversation for future Christmas plans.

he was a bit silly too booking a holiday for a week he’d previously been expected to have them (sorry if I read that wrong).

Ponderingwindow · 13/09/2024 12:35

How he negotiates with his ex really depends on what happened here.

Had she agreed to giving up Christmas and having the children the week after? Did she then cancel that agreement?