..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

Quite. Yet they're never the ones to start their own threads discussing the needs of males and how they should be prioritised, they just muscle in on the ones trying to talk about women's rights and needs. A bit like... well men.

You've also missed the point of why this thread was started.

Ok So provide them with a separate building and then you won’t have a problem.

Men don’t campaign because there is a massive stigma involved with male rape.

Quite. Yet they're never the ones to start their own threads discussing the needs of males and how they should be prioritised, they just muscle in on the ones trying to talk about women's rights and needs. A bit like... well men.

Interestingly this is the only thread that poster has even posted on. It's almost like...

My comment referred to the mother campaigning not her son. I imagine if her daughter had been raped rather than her son she would be horrified to have persuaded her daughter to leave the house and step into a rape crisis centre only to discover members of the sex that had raped her walking about in there. I certainly would be .

Hmmmmmm.......

Read. The. Fucking. Opening. Post.

Yes I went looking too and found same

indeed it’s…..odd

@MartinsSpareCalculator

i think you’re engaging in good faith so I ask this question in good faith in return: what does “living as a woman” mean to you?

Well I am ten shades of shocked.

Well quite.

Time for some grey rock?

Oh the irony!

there is far less stigma associated with a man being raped today than a woman who was raped 40 years ago.

Long time poster of 20 years. I have name changed like many do to protect my child.

Pretty sure the stigma for men being raped 40 years ago was equally high.

I was drugged raped in 1978.
I lived in the area of where the Yorkshire Ripper was attacking women.
According to the police (two males) . I was " asking for it" because l went out in a short skirt.
I was 20 years old.
The police were horrific then.. l didn't pursue it in the end.. the trauma of going through with it made me question everything.
I had counselling through the Well Womens centre.

Name changed to protect your child

Bur God forbid women protect themselves by wanting to seek support off a female rape support worker.

I completely empathise with you and provided a directory on one of your posts so you could find specialist services including counselling, for your son. I advised that women's aid could help but I meant Rape Crisis, they can talk to your son and advise on other support available.

I'm sure you understand that traumatised survivors of sexual assault do not want to see men or be counselled by men, in what is meant to be a safe space.

The UK doesn't have enough services for men, that's something to campaign for. You could also contact your local MP to raise the issue, perhaps contact Rape Crisis to see if there is any campaigning you can do.

This thread is about traumatised sexual assault survivors who have been accused of being bigots and told they have to 'reframe their trauma' to accept men in their spaces. A support worker went through a tribunal because of the way she was treated while trying to support survivors. People are angry about this.

I wish you all the best.

The poster talking about access to services for male victims of rape being needed isn’t wrong. But yes that’s not the issue that this thread was about. So rather than argueing the toss back and forth why doesn’t everyone just discuss the original issue.

She/he won't acknowledge your post because they are on this thread with the intent of making sure no one forget about men.

She/he is all kinds of furious bit not enough to do anything to make a change but only enough to attempt to make an issue that affects only women, about men.

She/he cannot stand the thought of not being able to protect men and justify and insert lots of whataboutery, just to make sure we don't forget about men

Some of us have known about this for quite some time. Including the heroine, J K. Rowling, who set up Beira’s Place as an alternative to the Edinburgh Rape Crisis place.

I remember in the 1970s when rape crisis centres were set up by feminists as volunteer organisations and how hard it was to establish them and raise the money to run them. Now the men are trying to take over. Again - see also the treatment of “Sarah” at the Brighton rape crisis centre.

Have you got your son's permission to post about him on here? He might not want his personal information broadcast in this way, poor lad.

No one has said she/he is wrong.

What has been said about their posts being wrong, is that this thread was started about an issue that affects only women and that their son isn't relevant to this conversation because he isn't female.

They are more than capable of starting a thread about their own fury about how their son had been treated but this post isn't the place to do it

But no, they have to coming back and stirring the pot and trying to make it about their son.

This suggests they aren't completely genuine.

Men make similar arguments about refuges. Why don't they cater for men? Because women set them up for women. Set your own ones up.

the treatment of “Sarah” at the Brighton rape crisis centre

There is no rape crisis centre in Brighton.

The local government has given funded to Survivors Network which isn't / never was a feminist / women only organisation.

That's why its not just about making sure only those federated get funding, and funders ensure that they only fund services that provide if not 100%, 99% women only services.

Women only = biological females.

Us women are second class citizens - always have been and always will be.