..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

Yep all about his own huge ego and validation.
He might wear a dress and call himself ‘she’ but the male entitlement just oozes out of every pore

@Saind3rs you've done yourself no favours on this thread. Whatever sympathy people felt for you is rapidly evaporating. Bow out, please.

I'm so very sorry about what happened to your son.

ERCC’s values as stated in its strategy are: loving, empowering, inclusive, accountable, brave

are not fully consistent with NSS’ values: survivor-centred, trauma-informed, gender-informed, empowerment-orientated, embodying a culture of belief, actively anti-racist, and employing an intersectional feminist approach

‘Loving’ and ‘brave’ are not listed in RCS Best Practice Model 2021. These appear both inappropriate and to raise boundary issues when used in the context of survivors of gender-based violence.

This man clearly understood the issues. So much so he used inappropriate language that was deeply problematic.

Then went on a podcast saying women needed to 'reframe their trauma' in response to comments about single sex provision.

This has been found by the report to have further traumatised a survivor.

The report concluded that Wadhwa “failed to set professional standards of behaviour” within the organisation.

And we are supposed to respect him?

Christ, he couldn't even get data protection right. The policy hadn't been updated since 2017 and didn't even include references to the latest data protection laws - GDPR!

He couldn't even look after flipping data correctly. Nevermind the well being of women.

And we are supposed to RESPECT HIM. And we are supposed to centre males when half the report is about the failure to centre female survivors as a core values?!

Get to fuck.

This bloke hasn't even been sacked yet. He's still on paid fucking leave, whilst the charity has a funding crisis and is making redundancies.

Men, women and trans should all get the same level of support. Rape is Rape.

Indeed it is and the victims are almost always female and yet ERCC thought it was acceptable to reject raped women who requested female counsellors. Moreover, in other areas such as Brighton, some centres won't even offer single sex counselling services to the majority of their clients and yet will still offer men only and trans only groups

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful, and detracts from what otherwise could be valid points being made.

He isn't living as a woman and never has. He's exhibiting male pattern abusive behaviour, arrogance and entitlement that he's exhibited in a very very male way for years. He's a walking example of toxic, abusive masculinity at its worst. If you think he's been 'living as a woman' that means you think dresses and skirts + fake boobs = woman, which really doesn't reflect well on you. The view that dresses and skirts plus fake boobs = womans is sexist and also means I, who've had two children, can't be a woman because I don't wear dresses or skirts and don't have fake boobs.

There is literally no woman with so few relevant qualifications that would get the job he has. He only got it because he was a man, exhibiting the worst type of entitled male behaviour but wearing a dress, and because the world has gone mad in a weird McCarthyist way on this issue - plus because those in power are sexist and misogynist. It's been obvious for years this is what would happen. It's happening all over the place with men like this. Time it stopped.

I've said this on numerous threads before, men need to pull their weight.

I've worked and volunteered in male (and majority male) services including shelters, prisons, housing, ex-offender provision. Guess what sex the staff were in the main in most of the social provision... female. In the women's services, guess which sex... also female. The managers were sometimes male but the people doing the work were female. Fundraising... female. Campaigning... female. Advocating... female.

If there's any real cash or influence to be had... male. But the actual work is done by women.

Men need to do all the above. Not just throw their hands up and ask women why they don't do even more. Considering they have most of the power, money, influence and spare time for bloody 'hobbies'. Take off the Lycra and do some unpaid labour.

What you shouldn't do is take the important position at the head of an organisation which should only go to a much better qualified woman.

What does “living as a woman” mean?

That's very interesting.

I wonder what that tells us.

The CEO didn't take the stand for the court case. Instead very junior staff were expected to instead. The judge went as far as to comment on how this was poor form.

If the CEO has been a woman she'd have been sacked or resigned months ago.

The sheer arrogance over not taking responsibility for this shit show is absolutely breathtaking.

I shall not waste any energy thinking about whether or not it's 'comfortable' to say this is a man.

Not once has he demonstrated even a shred of empathy nor respect for any of the women he was supposed to serve, employ or to whom he was accountable.

Any man who tells raped women to "reframe "their trauma if they object to being forced to have men in their group or as a counsellor is contemptible and should have been fired as soon as the tribunal verdict was given.

As a mental health professional who has worked in this type of service I am horrified that any of this has happened and so grateful for JKR setting up and funding an actual women only service. Telling raped women that they are transphobic and need to "reframe their trauma" is the pinnacle of misogyny.

My point exactly. Watching the transwidows film shows you that most of these men are living as their fantasy of what a woman is (often influenced by porn) which bears no resemblance at all to the reality of women's lives.

Notably most of them leave all the parenting to the actual women and give not the tiniest shit about the impact of their actions on their children.

Just to be perfectly clear here:

Police Scotland recorded 14,602 incidents of sexual crime in 2022-23. 2,529 of these concerned rape or attempted rape and 5,282 were sexual assault. 94% of rape or attempted rape victims were female and 86% of sexual assault victims were female.

But Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre couldn't or wouldn't provide a women's only service.

And someone comes along on this thread out of all threads on rape and rape services, and says 'oh well there wasn't a decent service for the men'.

Absolutely staggering.

The point, for I think many, is that there are aspects of being a woman that you can only access if you were born one. There’s also a history you can only fully access by having been born a woman.

If it’s either of those things that make us “live as women,” no trans person could ever be classed as living as a woman, and I’m not sure that’s a point I agree with - it’s very exclusionary.

I am amazed that I went away after posting this and I come back and it seems to be all about men, but not the man in a dress!

Mother. Ffs

Slightly different situation but When I was forced into giving a statement I was given a police man to give my statement to. Yes it was uncomfortable but Would I have felt safer with a woman officer probably not. My attack was orchestrated by 3 people a woman and 2 men.

That man is her son.

If came on here and spoke about their daughter, or any female relative, being unable to access services - I doubt it would get the same response.

People HAVE been saying something for years and trying to do something about it. This isn't new news, it's a very well known thing in feminist circles and any objection has been shit down, Sturgeon and her ilk were the worst for it. Joanna Cherry has been shouting this from the rafters for a long time.

lof course it’s ‘exclusionary’ - and so it bloody should be!!

adults are not children
apples are not oranges
dogs are not cats
men are not women

the only tning I have in common with other women is that I’m an adult human female. That’s it, that’s all - and that’s all it needs to be

You do realise this is a thread about the scandal of no women's only rape services, don't you?

It was COMPLETELY inappropriate and tone deaf.

Are you even aware of what this thread is about?

The point actually is that women were unable to access services. There's a whole court case about this.

You're right, no trans person is ever a woman. They're a trans woman which isn't the same thing at all. Trans women are male.

Reality is often exclusionary.

I'd like to be 6ft tall. I'm not. Reality is excluding me from being perceived as tall by others. I don't go around bullying people into pretend I'm 6ft in an Orwellian way.

I'd also like to have JKR's bank account but my bank is being bigoted and exclusionary by not recognising my self identity as a millionaire.

Rachel Dolezal wanted to be black.

Funny how it's only men identifying into being a woman that has everyone wringing their hands about exclusion. Particularly since exclusion of men from female spaces is a safeguarding issue too, as so clearly illustrated in this case.

Being a woman is a biological category only. Most women and men agree with sex realism, biological reality, and have only stayed silent due to bullying. Thankfully for the world, the importance of reality is beginning to be recognised again.