..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

Yes I do, but I don’t think that’s any reason to attack the parent of any raped individual, male or female.

Slightly different situation but When I was forced into giving a statement I was given a police man to give my statement to. Yes it was uncomfortable but Would I have felt safer with a woman officer probably not. My attack was orchestrated by 3 people a woman and 2 men.

Very sorry you had to go through that, but evidence from surveys of raped women clearly indicate that they prefer to interact with other women and not men. In Edinburgh, such women were even denied counselling because a male CEO wanted his gender identity to be validated and that is appalling.

I'm obviously very, very naive. But is this actually saying that a rape crisis service can't guarantee that a woman is assisted by a woman? That's insane.

Bloody hell - that should read no MALE trans person is ever a woman.

Obviously FEMALE trans people are women. Even if they don't want to be referred as such.

She was told it was inappropriate. And she carried on trying to make it about men after that.

We then had someone scolding for not treating the transwoman in charge with respect. Despite everything.

We literally could not talk about a report stating categorically that rape victims were not able to access female only services despite the demand and the number of women needing the service. And that some were being turned away and excluded because the male in charge wanted to make it 'inclusive' because of gender politics.

Women being failed to this degree is deemed less important than everything else.

There are certain areas I absolutely agree should be sex-specific, and that I should have the right to women only spaces in. Rape centres being one of them, to be clear.

In this specific case, there should have been sessions available that were female only, with access to support from a female.

But (and this probably goes back to the person talking about their son), I also don’t believe I have an exclusive right to support because I was born a woman. It should be available to anyone that needs it, in the form they need it in.

Outside of those spaces (DV spaces, hostels for vulnerable women, sexual assault support), I genuinely don’t give a single toss how other people live their lives, and if they want to identify as a man, woman or microwave.

Literally.

and the woman telling you you can’t, is actually a man. In a dress.

Not only that but at ERCC even asking for a biological woman to support you would get you turned away.

Meanwhile predatory males were welcomed with open arms...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/17/predator-cameron-downing-trans-inclusive-rape-crisis-centre/

Yes and the woman CEO who applied for and got the role that was advertised as a role purely for female applicants is a biological man who called rape victims who refused to be counselled by biological men in dresses bigots who need to reframe their trauma

Correct. And survivors who requested a female were told to 'reframe their trauma' and that abused victims can be bigots too. For not wanting biological males involved.

They also weren't signposted to Beira's Place, who does provide a single sex service.

Disgusting.

Exactly that, except they bastardised language, ignored the need for clarity for service users and changed the meaning of 'woman' to include men so it was really abusive to boot.

It's the whole labelling toilets 'women's toilets' but actually really having a policy that they're mixed sex so you can find a man like K Dolatowski, who attacked a 10 year old girl in a 'woman's' toilet, in there.

The specific man who is her child.

One thing most on here have in common, is parenting - and we all advocate for our kids.

The ERCC statement this evening says and I quote:

The current Board have immediately taken action on three key areas highlighted by RCS:
We reinstated and clarified our women only spaces in February 2024
All staff have up to date safeguarding training, and our safeguarding policy was reviewed in December 2023
All staff have attended refresher training on data protection, and our data protection policy has just been reviewed

@SleeplessInWherever

Yes I do, but I don’t think that’s any reason to attack the parent of any raped individual, male or female.

<<head tilt>> come on.

How is it helping the son in this case posting on here? Because I really can't see it.

Have you finished deliberately missing the point yet?

The current Board have immediately taken action on three key areas highlighted by RCS:
We reinstated and clarified our women only spaces in February 2024

But have they sacked the CEO yet and, if not, why not?

Nothing in the statement to say they have...

Your point possibly?

I think the point she was initially making was that her son couldn’t access support because the service offers more female only time, so he couldn’t get in. Which related to the female only point of the article?

Just not sure it required an argument, that’s all!

Remind me - what's the name of this forum?

Wadhwa made a point of saying any woman asking for a female only service would be treated as follows

“We will work with you... but please expect to be challenged on your prejudices.”

Centring female rape victims? Meh. Not a priority.

Could we have just one thread that focuses on women?

Just in this instance perhaps, given that a woman at ERCC lost her job, another woman was refused help and deliberately not signposted to a local female-only rape centre which could have helped her, and many, many women have been without support from ERCC after being raped by men - and all this at the dictate of the male CEO.

Could we have just one thread, without "what-about-the-menz"?

No, he CAN GO to Mankind, the charity for male rape

https://quillette.com/2024/08/04/gaslighting-scotlands-rape-victims-in-the-name-of-trans-inclusion/
this is a good read. The whole history of what happened in the centre

it also includes a man who was attending the centre whilst he was sexually offending men and women. He was found guilty of sexual assaults

Assaulting not offending Can’t edit it