To be so upset about the stories in Julie In Gender land?

[TorghunKhan]

I'm just staggered at the stories, staggered. I knew it was bad, but social workers treating good, caring parents like criminals, forcing the transition of gay kids, the damage to parents and their mental health, let alone the huge damage to children

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it's hard to move on from this sort of thing, I am a parent, I can't believe most parents know how bad it is out there in our schools

Maybe you're right. All this stuff has been in the public domain for years yet no journalists have pulled it all together.

The millions the NHS and other organisations spent on this shit is sickening.

It feels like all the adults have taken mind-bending drugs and have spent the last few years slumped on a beanbag vaguely repeating the few phrases their brains can still remember.

Perhaps it'll be like the Peep Show episode where Olivia Colman's character takes drugs with her cool mates, and Mark comes in, turns the music down, opens the curtains and informs them he's turning on Radio 4 and everything's going back to normal.

Haha great analogy. I hope that's how it goes.

The children are the victims in all this. No one was safeguarding them.

I don't think I can bring myself to watch/listen to these quite yet. It's too heartbreaking and it's terrifying me. Especially as I'm in Scotland. It's insidious.

If everyone who is in authority, from teachers to parents to social workers says that "yes they can"

The kids believe us, and we end up in this mess. how do we get out

The women handmaidens and men who are all TWAW are less likely to be affected personally by the gay conversion therapy that is Trans ideology and they're rich so they and their families won't suffer the worst problems with it.

For WS I'd imagine he can appreciate what is happening to gay children with this regressive sexist ideology. Also, he apparently has a brain.

It's frustrating because anyone who watches the Transwidows film, listens to Julie in Genderland, reads the Cass review and the WPATH files and look at the outcomes of the many, many employment tribunals about this would of course realise the depths of the failures of safeguarding and insanity which has been allowed to capture our institutions. And even the most hard hearted person would probably think that reinstating proper safeguarding for children is a good idea. But apparently those in government don't have to do due diligence and consider evidence these days.

I think there needs to be a post office style docu-drama about all this. I hope the likes of Vaishnavi Sundar,* *Hannah Barnes and Julie B can be involved. The BBC won't do it though cos they're all about the Savile style men.

The bits most people would think 'oh this must be fictional embellishment, it's so grim and harmful to children' will be the true bits.

A fair amount of the media are complicit if not culpable

Adults there will have been pushing gender ideology

So many institutions will pull together if this is threatened

I should say they should not only look at the outcomes of the ETs but the documentation and testimony. Jo Phoenix's case really stands out for the insane batshittery spouted by academics but there are other strong contenders in Denise Fahmy's case, Rachel Meade's, Allison Bailey's. Many of whom are paid for by the taxpayer and really, really shouldn't be. Rachel Meade's was the most disturbing because the McCarthyism on display in SWE WILL harm children. There seems no consequence for their safeguarding failures though.

I don't like to hate on the BBC but they aren't just captured they are pusher, like converting people to a new religion converting

This has overtaken so much, so many adults signed up to it and pushing the ideology it would take a lot to reverse it

I'm not sure it's going to happen, maybe with some other momentum that it can ride on the back of

When you think of all the organisations, including international, and media who are protecting this it looks hard to do

These interviews are something else, an easy to listen box set on this topic and what the impact has been on real lives.

Every single profession that interfaces children and their families has failed.

Amazing work bringing this together.

Exactly. We need to understand what's going on there too.

Ultimately, we have to conclude that there are significant numbers of (mostly) men out there who are actively supportive of this. I.e dismantling society's boundaries around fetishism and grooming of children.

There are also plenty of useful idiots clapping them on without realising the consequences. But in every organisation, there are the people driving it all.

I can't believe it is anything but predators trying to change the very way we think abut safeguarding children.

Agreed. The scary thing is that I'm beginning to suspect there are far more of these around than I thought.

Or perhaps more accurately, men who wouldn't break social taboos necessarily, but would very much welcome these social taboos being dismantled.

That distinction may not make sense to anyone but me though.

no no, I get it, absolutely

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · Today 12:22

And even the most hard hearted person would probably think that reinstating proper safeguarding for children is a good idea. But apparently those in government don't have to do due diligence and consider evidence these days.

Unfortunately, you are approaching it from a rational viewpoint, whereas, Be KindTM is an emotional, irrational ideology. The proponents, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, are convinced that they are right and it's wicked to deny children what they think they want, or men in women's toilets, sports etc.

According to your poll 27 people think you are being unreasonable for being upset... presumably in that case they are for the trauma, pain and findings of harm committed knowingly.

Has anyone made it all the way through the podcast? The depth and the pain of the stories is astounding. How did the whole country become so captured with this horror show?

Thank you for sharing this, I haven't heard of it. I'll have a listen.

Thanks for highlighting this OP. I have listened to all but one of the episodes now. It is harrowing, mind-bending and so important. It’s fitting that Julie and those who made the TW film have used Alice in Wonderland as an analogy. When you hear it all laid out, it sounds like a mad upside-down world- which of course it is.

I found the episode with Az Hakeem particularly interesting. I’m sure he said at one point that he doesn’t know ANY psychiatrists who support this or believe that TWAW. You’d hope people would listen to psychiatrists on a topic concerning human minds and behaviour. I found it really enlightening when he described gender dysphoria as a symptom, like a cough, rather than a condition in its own right. Everything he said about it made sense. The comparisons with eating disorders and self-harm. I also loved that he explained how group therapy with his dysphoric clients resulted in them essentially talking each other out of it- no ‘conversion therapy’ required- the psychiatrist didn’t need to tell them that their gender dysphoria had its roots in their trauma or their neurodivergence- they told each other!

I’m so glad more people get to listen to it. I hope everyone who listens tells ten more people!

this is just madness, it being a no debate subject has hurt so many people.

I’ve shared it on a feminist WA group I’m in, and with another friend who peaked very recently and who works in the NHS!