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To be so upset about the stories in Julie In Gender land?

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TorghunKhan · 11/09/2024 11:45

I'm just staggered at the stories, staggered. I knew it was bad, but social workers treating good, caring parents like criminals, forcing the transition of gay kids, the damage to parents and their mental health, let alone the huge damage to children

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5XK1wTA4PTgvwLvDZcKwP9
Julie's substack link with all episodes https://substack.com/@juliebindel

it's hard to move on from this sort of thing, I am a parent, I can't believe most parents know how bad it is out there in our schools

JULIE IN GENDERLAND

Podcast · [object Object] · Julie Bindel investigates how children are being lied to and parents silenced by the cult of trans ideology. juliebindel.substack.com

https://open.spotify.com/show/5XK1wTA4PTgvwLvDZcKwP9

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TorghunKhan · 11/09/2024 14:59

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2024 14:53

It's quite amazing these stories, not in a crazy far off land, not a thousand years ago. 1 generation, 200 miles from here.

There are vested interests and pressure groups deliberately breaking down societal norms and the concept of the family and - after not wanting to believe it - I can only assume it is genuinely to prey upon children.

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TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2024 15:04

TorghunKhan · 11/09/2024 14:59

It's quite amazing these stories, not in a crazy far off land, not a thousand years ago. 1 generation, 200 miles from here.

There are vested interests and pressure groups deliberately breaking down societal norms and the concept of the family and - after not wanting to believe it - I can only assume it is genuinely to prey upon children.

I have honestly never been more shocked in my life than when I came across that.

It just shows you what is in the realms of possibility. As you say, not that long ago, in a country we deem perfectly civilised. Also notable that this is not talked about much.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 15:10

I think part of the problem is it seems so far fetched.

We’ve also been fed a rainbows, and mermaids and unicorns , sparkly narrative where if we are not ‘kind’ then children will kill themselves.

Some of this is very hard to unpick and row back on. None more so than the families & children who’ve made life altering medical choices 😢. A lot of those people will never be able to admit they got this wrong.

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2024 15:19

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 15:10

I think part of the problem is it seems so far fetched.

We’ve also been fed a rainbows, and mermaids and unicorns , sparkly narrative where if we are not ‘kind’ then children will kill themselves.

Some of this is very hard to unpick and row back on. None more so than the families & children who’ve made life altering medical choices 😢. A lot of those people will never be able to admit they got this wrong.

Totally agree.

spannasaurus · 11/09/2024 15:44

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 15:10

I think part of the problem is it seems so far fetched.

We’ve also been fed a rainbows, and mermaids and unicorns , sparkly narrative where if we are not ‘kind’ then children will kill themselves.

Some of this is very hard to unpick and row back on. None more so than the families & children who’ve made life altering medical choices 😢. A lot of those people will never be able to admit they got this wrong.

I agree that people think you are making stuff up when you talk to them about these issues because it seems so far fetched.

I was discussing the rainbow dildo butt monkey, who was entertaining children at libraries, with someone who clearly thought I was exaggerating. I then showed them the photo and saw the look of horror on their face when they realised I hadn't been exaggerating at all.

To be so upset about the stories in Julie In Gender land?
tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 11/09/2024 15:57

Can click and post on what I like, no? If OP wants certain responses, what's the point of the post? If I want to respond and say I think her post is unreasonable, I will. Whether you wanna get your knickers in a twist over it is up to you.

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Except you haven't actually engaged in discussion other than to say this topic shouldn't be discussed anywhere but FWR.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 11/09/2024 15:58

Safeguarding kids is everyone's business and should be talked about openly

UtterlyDestroyed · 11/09/2024 16:25

Namesmame · 11/09/2024 13:28

I don't support anything? Stop reaching FGS.
Op is not genuinely asking if she is BU about anything, she wants to discuss a topic that has a dedicated board so the rest of us can enjoy reading about cheeky fuckers and actually AIBUs.

Oh I get it, concerns about child safeguarding on a site for Mothers are getting in the way of you enjoying reading about cheeky fuckers.

What the fuckity fuck

How can you? actually? WHAT??

OP should shut the fuck up about this because it is in your way?

Sorry, YABFU.

HumphreyCobblers · 11/09/2024 16:27

I just listened to the first two. It is so upsetting to hear, I just can't get over that this really happened. Shocking.

So glad Julie Bindel has made this programme. I cried when she told the parents at the end of episode two that they should stop blaming themselves, my heart was breaking for them.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/09/2024 16:46

HumphreyCobblers · 11/09/2024 16:27

I just listened to the first two. It is so upsetting to hear, I just can't get over that this really happened. Shocking.

So glad Julie Bindel has made this programme. I cried when she told the parents at the end of episode two that they should stop blaming themselves, my heart was breaking for them.

Me too but I was so glad she told them that so directly. They were so badly failed by the institutions they've propped up with their taxes and who should have protected them and their child. Those responsible need to lose their jobs as they have failed to do what their job is supposed to be and caused harm.

Namesmame · 11/09/2024 16:54

UtterlyDestroyed · 11/09/2024 16:25

Oh I get it, concerns about child safeguarding on a site for Mothers are getting in the way of you enjoying reading about cheeky fuckers.

What the fuckity fuck

How can you? actually? WHAT??

OP should shut the fuck up about this because it is in your way?

Sorry, YABFU.

Calm down. Do you often read imaginary words or do wanna quote me telling OP to STFU...?
Or you could also contribute to the discussion you obviously feel very passionate about ?

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/09/2024 16:55

I really hope some families bring legal cases against the social workers / therapists involved in these abuses. I will donate to any crowdfunds for that.

Helleofabore · 11/09/2024 17:06

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/09/2024 14:05

Worth remembering this is a male led ideology that has been allowed to influence all our institutions using intimidation and bullying to enforce the lie that sex change is possible & desirable. And to gaslight a generation of often mentally vulnerable children, many of who are now mutilating their bodies and harming their minds in a desperate attempt to "change sex".

The failure of the trusted adults in the NHS, schools, social care, psychology etc to safeguard children and young people from this lie is unforgivable.

Well done to Julie for making this chilling series and exposing the grim reality of what's happening.

Absolutely !

And it is important to understand what has happened.

A group of male people are now considered by some as exempt from being treated the same as all the other male people in the UK for safeguarding purposes.

This has been a massive failure because we know historically no group of male people should be treated as being exempt. The groups of Catholic Church clergy, scouts and teachers are three such groups.

The way this has been done is that some people hold the belief that some people can change sex. Or, that a male person who declares they are a ‘woman’ (some declare they are 5 year old girls too when they are adult males) becomes ‘not male’ for safeguarding risk assessment.

This is not based on any factual or scientific basis at all. This is purely philosophical belief. At best based on pseudoscience such as post modernist theory. At worst, well I would be deleted for saying.

No evidence. Yet we have some posters who will declare this belief is a factual change. And tell us they have evidence to back it up. That evidence never comes. Because it is based in that post modernist theory or queer theory.

For instance, there is absolutely no evidence that there is a ‘female brain’. But you will see that said so often. No. No female brains. Just brains that are structured to fit within a male skull and that has stronger brain fibres than brains in female skulls. The brain reacts to certain hormones to make particular changes. But that is not a ‘female brain’.

And so then for safeguarding the relevance is, all male people should be treated as male people. No exceptions. No group of male people have a lower risk of committing sex or violent crime than other male people.

More importantly, no male person at any stage of transition has a risk of committing sex or violent crime at the same or lower level than a FEMALE person. Their pattern for crime remains that of a male person.

But this is inconvenient to some people and they would like readers of this thread to not know this.

UtterlyDestroyed · 11/09/2024 17:48

Can click and post on what I like, no?

As can the OP.

you could also contribute to the discussion you obviously feel very passionate about

Posts that include "calm down" "don't get your knickers in a twist" and scoldings over starting a thread in AIBU at all do not contribute to the discussion either.

I have not been able to finish listening to part two. It is too painful. I will have to return to it later. I beg you, Names, don't make this harder than it is. It is such a struggle to get others to understand what is happening to families..

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2024 17:59

Helleofabore · 11/09/2024 17:06

Absolutely !

And it is important to understand what has happened.

A group of male people are now considered by some as exempt from being treated the same as all the other male people in the UK for safeguarding purposes.

This has been a massive failure because we know historically no group of male people should be treated as being exempt. The groups of Catholic Church clergy, scouts and teachers are three such groups.

The way this has been done is that some people hold the belief that some people can change sex. Or, that a male person who declares they are a ‘woman’ (some declare they are 5 year old girls too when they are adult males) becomes ‘not male’ for safeguarding risk assessment.

This is not based on any factual or scientific basis at all. This is purely philosophical belief. At best based on pseudoscience such as post modernist theory. At worst, well I would be deleted for saying.

No evidence. Yet we have some posters who will declare this belief is a factual change. And tell us they have evidence to back it up. That evidence never comes. Because it is based in that post modernist theory or queer theory.

For instance, there is absolutely no evidence that there is a ‘female brain’. But you will see that said so often. No. No female brains. Just brains that are structured to fit within a male skull and that has stronger brain fibres than brains in female skulls. The brain reacts to certain hormones to make particular changes. But that is not a ‘female brain’.

And so then for safeguarding the relevance is, all male people should be treated as male people. No exceptions. No group of male people have a lower risk of committing sex or violent crime than other male people.

More importantly, no male person at any stage of transition has a risk of committing sex or violent crime at the same or lower level than a FEMALE person. Their pattern for crime remains that of a male person.

But this is inconvenient to some people and they would like readers of this thread to not know this.

Exactly

The other day there was a thread in chat where a poster was still repeating the 'Transwomen are Women' line - in all seriousness. Swearing blind they aren't men. With obviously zero evidence.

Its like a religious fervour or something.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 18:09

I’ve just listened to part two.

Just horrific - 2 main thoughts -

David & Louise taking about their Daughter. David blames CAMHS and talks about rising numbers of children, presumably autistic or with other mental health disorders, identifying as trans. We live in the midlands too, and I mentioned my experience with my daughter and CAMHS upthread, ive also said in other threads that I don’t know of any autistic girls in our area who have NOT identified as boys or non binary. I wonder if this is across the whole of cahms or if we have experienced the same mental health worker as they did 💔 in the same trust?

Secondly and I’ve mused on this before , was there a directive to put autistic kids on to GIDS waiting lists in order to reduce CAMHS waiting lists? It is highly convenient to tell struggling kids that gender will answer their problems if the upshot is that you can ‘signpost’ to another service.

Oh and activists have called me a liar over the CAMHS thing on here in the past. That’s what happens they try to shut you up or consign you to the naughty corner then make out you’re lying.

Lovelyview · 11/09/2024 18:33

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/09/2024 16:55

I really hope some families bring legal cases against the social workers / therapists involved in these abuses. I will donate to any crowdfunds for that.

Me too. I hope there are court cases and publicity and people who caused this get sacked and not allowed to be social workers and psychologists ever again. That people's lives have been ripped apart like this is utterly awful.

Helleofabore · 11/09/2024 18:40

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2024 17:59

Exactly

The other day there was a thread in chat where a poster was still repeating the 'Transwomen are Women' line - in all seriousness. Swearing blind they aren't men. With obviously zero evidence.

Its like a religious fervour or something.

There was indeed.

The mantra was repeated over and over. It was incredible though. Because the inconsistencies of those repeating the mantras are very clear. And it made it all look absurd.

Views like the word ‘woman’ or ‘female’ was not important at all to women on one hand according to some people, yet the reality is that it is the keystone of laws and policies. So those posters want to live in a wonderful place where they are kind and well mannered, yet they are complicit in the harm of so many female people.

Views like female people only need to pee, and there is never any other needs that female people use the female toilet for. Yet, it is important for male people to use that female space. For ‘their’ safety. Based on no evidence of either the apparent significant danger for those male people in the male toilet, or that this group of male people are safer than any other male person to be in the female toilet. And despite the evidence to the contrary.

The inconsistencies were all there and never actually addressed.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 18:49

Helleofabore · 11/09/2024 18:40

There was indeed.

The mantra was repeated over and over. It was incredible though. Because the inconsistencies of those repeating the mantras are very clear. And it made it all look absurd.

Views like the word ‘woman’ or ‘female’ was not important at all to women on one hand according to some people, yet the reality is that it is the keystone of laws and policies. So those posters want to live in a wonderful place where they are kind and well mannered, yet they are complicit in the harm of so many female people.

Views like female people only need to pee, and there is never any other needs that female people use the female toilet for. Yet, it is important for male people to use that female space. For ‘their’ safety. Based on no evidence of either the apparent significant danger for those male people in the male toilet, or that this group of male people are safer than any other male person to be in the female toilet. And despite the evidence to the contrary.

The inconsistencies were all there and never actually addressed.

Just how did they get such power over institutions though? Men who claim to be trans have nothing in common with autistic /
girls .

EasternStandard · 11/09/2024 18:53

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/09/2024 16:55

I really hope some families bring legal cases against the social workers / therapists involved in these abuses. I will donate to any crowdfunds for that.

There are so many adults culpable not least the legislators who have underpinned gender ideology in law.

Then all the institutions, politicians and organisations who built up the lie and pushed it on children

I don't know what it will take to reverse the above but I'd like to see it.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 18:58

EasternStandard · 11/09/2024 18:53

There are so many adults culpable not least the legislators who have underpinned gender ideology in law.

Then all the institutions, politicians and organisations who built up the lie and pushed it on children

I don't know what it will take to reverse the above but I'd like to see it.

Well Labour are inconsistent.

Great that Streeting is following Cass.

Not great that Dodds doesn’t see fit to amend the Equality Act to protect women’s sex based spaces.

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2024 19:01

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2024 18:49

Just how did they get such power over institutions though? Men who claim to be trans have nothing in common with autistic /
girls .

There's something called the Denton document which explains the strategy.

I will never understand how they were so successful in pulling it off in reality though.

CornedBeef451 · 11/09/2024 19:22

I listened to 4 of them today and had to have a break.

The one with the parents saying how guilty they felt made me cry.

The whole thing is absolutely horrifying.