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To worry about oldest friend - barely any contact from her for 9 months

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:03

This is likely to be long, I'm sorry.

My oldest friend, P, lives about 1.5 hours from me, we've been very close for 45 years. Pre-technology we had the odd year or two where we just caught up by letter, but have been in very regular contact (usually WhatsApp) for probably the last 20 years. Our kids are similar ages. It's been rare for us to go more than a few days without contact, or a couple of weeks absolute max, though it ebbs and flows as we're both busy. We've been a huge support to each other for many years.

I got married 9 months ago (no, I didn't bombard her with tons of wedding shit beforehand! We had the odd chat about plans, she was definitely excited for it). She did a beautiful reading which was fab and I mentioned her in my speech, she and her family had a great time from what I could tell. No falling out or cross words at all. We were in touch briefly over Christmas as usual, but didn't manage to meet up (but had seen each other at the wedding just before, so I wasn't concerned).

I know she's always under a lot of pressure with work (p/t but very demanding), and I do remember her saying in January that she'd probably be a bit quieter than usual for a few weeks, as there was a lot going on with elderly parents and in laws as well. Obviously I said no problem, I don't want to add to her worries/stress with my own expectations, and said I'm here any time, don't worry at all.

But here we are in Sept and I've heard almost nothing from her since January and I'm worried. I suddenly know nothing at all about what's happening in her life when for 45 years we've had a pretty good idea of what's going on for each other. She has sent kind messages/ cards for my birthday and to my dds, all of which seem perfectly normal, but has given zero updates on her own life and asked for zero support, whereas she normally relies on me for emotional support, as I do her.

It just feels like something major must be going on and I miss her and I suppose I'm upset at the thought that she would normally want to talk to me but for some reason doesn't atm. I've tried really hard not to be upset but the longer it goes on, can't help it. It feels like grief.

I have messaged her a few times, never asking for anything from her, just giving brief bits of news as normal at first, and reiterating now and then that I was thinking of her and hoped she was OK. I've left it weeks on end between messages and tried to keep anything I do send as very short and low key, just checking in and never asking for a reply etc. I have said that I'm worried about her and that I'm here if she needs me, she responded with a heart emoji but still no contact. I'm almost sure she's not upset with me, there's been nothing I can think of at all but it often keeps me awake at night wondering.

Of course I realises she has no obligation to keep me in the loop, but after 45 years of being so close, and after multiple school hols where I hoped she'd get in touch (she works in education, as does her DP), I'm getting increasingly worried. I am also feeling hurt if I'm honest, not that I'd tell her - I don't want to make whatever she's going through about me. I do know that she's been struggling with menopause and she's had mh difficulties in the past, as has her DP and several members of her extended family.

I had an issue with another friend a few months ago (v different character and not a mutual friend, she was spectacularly bitchy to me and I was extremely upset but we sorted it out). While that was going on I did send P a more emotional message late one night - I felt like I was losing all my oldest friends, though didn't say that. Just said I really hoped she was OK, and if I'd done anything to upset her to please let me know, told her how much she means to me etc. She didn't answer that, which I took to mean that it's nothing I've done, and have made sure since to just send occasional, low key messages.

We have one mutual friend who is very blunt (and pretty rude at times, v different to both me and P) and when P has gone quiet in the past we would normally ask each other if she was OK. When I did this around March, she didn't reply and has ignored a couple of other enquiries - very out of character but we are in touch as normal, so I've assumed she either isn't worried, or has heard from P and she just doesn't want to be in close touch with me for now/at all. Which is fuelling the worry!

Has anyone else had this happen? I miss P so much. It feels like I'm being kept firmly at arm's length - she sends cards and the odd message (eg good luck to dd2 when she started college last week), it feels bizarre to have that contact without the other side of our friendship, ie any knowledge at all of what's going on for her. I want to help, to listen, to know if she's OK.

AIBU to be worried? I wouldn't dream of contacting her parents or anything, but it's so upsetting. Should I stop even my attempts at keeping things low key in case they're construed as pressure? Or keep going in the hope that whatever is going on, she eventually feels she wants to reconnect?

Sorry this is so long.

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Gymmum82 · 08/09/2024 16:06

Can you not just ring her? Even if you have to send a message to agree a time to chat. Just ring her and ask her how she is and what’s going on

ManchesterGirl2 · 08/09/2024 16:08

This is very strange.

I'd have guessed depression, but that doesn't explain why the other friend is acting odd.

Are there any topics that you have strong views on, that she might not feel comfortable opening up to you about if she was "on the wrong side of them"?

ManchesterGirl2 · 08/09/2024 16:08

Gymmum82 · 08/09/2024 16:06

Can you not just ring her? Even if you have to send a message to agree a time to chat. Just ring her and ask her how she is and what’s going on

Yes, definitely do this if you haven't already.

EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:09

Gymmum82 · 08/09/2024 16:06

Can you not just ring her? Even if you have to send a message to agree a time to chat. Just ring her and ask her how she is and what’s going on

Tried ringing, she doesn't answer. Also tried sending messages to arrange a convenient time to chat. All ignored.

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pikkumyy77 · 08/09/2024 16:10

I have gone through this recently. My dear friend of 46 years was suddenly diagnosed with brain cancer and utterly withdrew from contact. I think rather than assuming it is something you have done you should operate on the assumption that something is overwhelming her. When my friend could not respond to texts or calls I started sending cheery voice memos which her family would play for her. I was very surprised thst this worked. So keep trying!

MassiveSaladEater · 08/09/2024 16:12

When my dad got a diagnosis of dementia my life changed and I became busier than I ever had been before. Not just busy like when you have a toddler and FT work, worse than that because it’s upsetting as well. I felt I couldn’t share it with friends as they wouldn’t understand not only what dementia is like but how little help there is. Some friends kept saying social services would help or I could ‘put’ him in a home (as if it were that easy or affordable). I gradually stopped speaking to and even messaging friends. You mentioned she was caring for elderly relatives. Could it be something like that?

Whatever the reason, it’s worth tackling directly. Call her!

EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:13

ManchesterGirl2 · 08/09/2024 16:08

This is very strange.

I'd have guessed depression, but that doesn't explain why the other friend is acting odd.

Are there any topics that you have strong views on, that she might not feel comfortable opening up to you about if she was "on the wrong side of them"?

Good point but no, we are very similar in our outlook and politics etc. I really thought she'd have got in touch over the summer. I went on a day out with dh and some of his friends to a town fairly close to her one day. Sent a message saying I was waving from the Axyz (road name) and what we were doing. Didn't ask to come and see her. She replied to that one and said we're not actually in X, we're in #Europeancountry. I can't think of a time ever in the past where I wouldn't have known about a trip like this and been excited for her and I was so upset. I just said oh how lovely, have a great time but I don't know if I should push for answers (not that I'll get anywhere) or if I'll make it worse.

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:15

pikkumyy77 · 08/09/2024 16:10

I have gone through this recently. My dear friend of 46 years was suddenly diagnosed with brain cancer and utterly withdrew from contact. I think rather than assuming it is something you have done you should operate on the assumption that something is overwhelming her. When my friend could not respond to texts or calls I started sending cheery voice memos which her family would play for her. I was very surprised thst this worked. So keep trying!

So sorry to hear this. I'm worried it could be illness.

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HoppityBun · 08/09/2024 16:15

Send her a letter

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 08/09/2024 16:16

Could you pay her a visit?

EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:18

MassiveSaladEater · 08/09/2024 16:12

When my dad got a diagnosis of dementia my life changed and I became busier than I ever had been before. Not just busy like when you have a toddler and FT work, worse than that because it’s upsetting as well. I felt I couldn’t share it with friends as they wouldn’t understand not only what dementia is like but how little help there is. Some friends kept saying social services would help or I could ‘put’ him in a home (as if it were that easy or affordable). I gradually stopped speaking to and even messaging friends. You mentioned she was caring for elderly relatives. Could it be something like that?

Whatever the reason, it’s worth tackling directly. Call her!

Sorry to hear about your dad. She doesn't care for elderly parents in a physical sense as all 3 of her surviving parents/in laws live a few hours away, but she does worry about them and it's perfectly possible something's going on with them. But I've tried calling and she never answers! Would I be overstepping massively to just turn up? It's a long way when she might not be there and I'm scared of being turned away tbh. It's so weird and made weirder by the mutual friend refusing point blank to mention her name.

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:20

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 08/09/2024 16:16

Could you pay her a visit?

I felt it wouldn't be wanted tbh as she's ignoring all messages but I could, not that she might be around...

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:21

HoppityBun · 08/09/2024 16:15

Send her a letter

Thank you, I think I'll try this.

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Zanatdy · 08/09/2024 16:24

I agree with sending a letter. Tell her how much you miss her.

Aria999 · 08/09/2024 16:25

Very odd. Sounds like there's something and she doesn't want to talk about it.

Could she be in love with your husband? Or with you? (= getting married causing a problem)?

Songlines · 08/09/2024 16:29

I'm wondering if the answer might be in the fact that you said you'd recently got married?
I had something similar with a long standing friend when I moved in with a new partner. In the end I simply sent her a regular text with just a 'x' or 'thinking of you' It did the trick but took a long time

EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:50

Aria999 · 08/09/2024 16:25

Very odd. Sounds like there's something and she doesn't want to talk about it.

Could she be in love with your husband? Or with you? (= getting married causing a problem)?

No, she's only met my dh a handful of times but really likes him. Definitely not in love with me either, but I half wondered if perhaps me getting married for the second time triggered something for her. I highly doubt it tbh, she's never wanted to get married but has been with her dp for over 20 years so could if she wanted. My money is on illness of some sort and a trip abroad, even to Europe, might not be feasible with physical illness, so I'm leaning towards mh. I'm definitely going to write letters like we used to. Thank you all for your replies, I feel reassured that continuing to try is reasonable of me and (hopefully) going to be construed as anything other than me caring about her.

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 16:59

@EmeraldDreams73 can you send her a bouquet of flowers and tell her you are missing her? at the very least she might surely message and say thank you

EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 17:05

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 16:59

@EmeraldDreams73 can you send her a bouquet of flowers and tell her you are missing her? at the very least she might surely message and say thank you

Thank you, yes I did send flowers for her birthday a couple of weeks ago and she did message to say thank you.

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pikkumyy77 · 08/09/2024 17:08

I think you have to just stop pressing then. I mean: absolutely send a letter but don’t make a big deal out of it or keep harping on the estrangement. Just let her know you will keep a light on for her and would like more contact.

It must be very complicated and fraught for her, whatever it is. Partner cheating on her, family illness, financial stress, health issues. It could be anything.

Secondguess · 08/09/2024 17:09

I'd ask the mutual friend if she's seen her/heard from her etc.
I hope you get an answer.

EmeraldDreams73 · 16/09/2024 23:44

Update in case anyone's interested:

I sent her a card and wrote that I understand she's not able to be in touch much atm, that's absolutely fine. Said I didn't want her to think that me trying to give her space = not caring. Told her I miss her and think of her a lot and am here if she needs me. I also sent a little parcel - just chocolate, a candle, not expensive stuff but tiny treats.

The parcel was definitely delivered almost a week ago and I haven't heard a squeak from her. I don't feel able to ask our mutual friend again after being completely stonewalled the other times I've tried, I was made to feel hysterical and overreacting, but that's not me at all
I just know something's really wrong, I suppose I just need to accept she doesn't want to be in contact for now at least. I also don't want confirmation that she's in touch with our other friend but not me.

I'm so sad, but I know I need to just leave it now. I'm still worried sick about her and can't shake off a feeling that I must have done something, but I know there's nothing else I can do.

Should I leave it completely now? Send a brief 'thinking of you' message after a month or so? 6 months? I never ever thought this would happen after 45 years.

Perhaps I need to just stop trying.

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Pantaloons99 · 16/09/2024 23:52

OP - you must leave it now. You have gone above and beyond and you're just not going to get anymore right now.

You could border on her feeling totally harassed and you then feeling really awful inside if you got feedback of this later down the line.

People can change and we never realise why. I have had issues like this recently and think what have I done. But you realise sometimes they have changed and just see you or things differently rather than it being that you are a bad person.

I think you have been kind and have made it absolutely clear that you are there if she wants to get in touch. I would NOT discuss this any more with other friend. Some friends can be real shit stirrers. This may be too much power for her especially if she has some issues. Just back away and keep your dignity intact now lovely.

pikkumyy77 · 17/09/2024 02:17

I think you have done everything a caring friend can do. If she wanted to respond she would have. I am so sorry but although you may never find out why I think you just have to give up on the friendship. So hard! But you have made every effort and she is clearly rejecting your gestures.

EmeraldDreams73 · 17/09/2024 06:39

Thank you both. I will leave well alone now and keep hoping. The fact that she's sent nice, normal cards and messages recently (including when dd2 started college) is a clear message in itself that that's all she can do for now and I'm grateful for that.

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