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What age is appropriate for school friend sleepovers?

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StrawberryTartIet · 07/09/2024 14:53

My DC aged 10 has slept at Grandparents and a friends house who lives a few doors down from us that we are all friends as grown ups to. I don't allow school friend sleepovers yet. It's becoming difficult as school best friend has slept at ours but I don't want my daughter to go to their yet but they are asking. I know the parents and they havent done amything to bother me but I just dont feel comfortable handing my child to them overnight! I feel the risk of SA is not worth it, however upset she is mow it would be worse to find out she was placed at risk of SA!

But what age do we have to ignore our fears!!?

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RedRidingGood · 08/09/2024 07:39

StolenChanel · 08/09/2024 07:23

I don’t know why so many people are shocked that some people don’t allow sleepovers. Did most of you not grow up around people from other cultures? In many non-European cultures sleepovers are a no no. I don’t know the backgrounds of those saying it’s a straight no, but it really isn’t that shocking.

lol yeah, in my culture not even something people do. I'd only ever seen sleepovers on tv in American tv shows.

5475878237NC · 08/09/2024 07:54

RedRidingGood · 08/09/2024 07:39

lol yeah, in my culture not even something people do. I'd only ever seen sleepovers on tv in American tv shows.

Almost every post on Mumsnet is written and responded to through a white British lens, sometimes even when the OP even states they're abroad or from a different culture.

ChickAndTheDuck · 08/09/2024 12:13

TheaBrandt · 08/09/2024 06:48

I actually don’t think “working for social services” makes your view more valuable. . That means you see the absolute worst cases not the thousands of times it’s fine and a normal positive part of childhood. If you took that view you would never get in a car or leave the house.

My BIL was anxious about dsis labour as an anaesthestist he only saw the births that went wrong he’d not often experienced perfectly normal natural childbirth so even though on paper he sounded more experienced than the layman he wasn’t.

No wonder this generation are anxious and addicted to screens. Very sad.

I agree with this and it's what I was thinking too but you put it so much better than I could.

If all you have ever seen is the bad in this world, day in, day out, it stands to reason that someone is going to be more concerned than another parent who doesn't see those things. I don't think it's the reality of what most people are like though. Most people are fine, you just get the odd bad apple.

Abuse can happen anywhere, even in schools. We can't not let our children have these experiences.

Itsjustmeheretoday · 08/09/2024 12:32

Luggagenightmare · 08/09/2024 05:37

I work for social services and don't allow sleepovers. I think it's quite telling that anyone in a similar field on this thread also doesn't!

Very telling

AliasGrape · 08/09/2024 14:58

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2024 00:42

I mean it very genuinely.

Why have kids if you can't cope with normal every day life?

Why restrict your child's opportunities so much because of your own anxieties?

Why bother?

What's the point in life if you are going to stay in your house, never leave it, never interact with anyone, look at everything and everyone as too risky?

All your children are for are to validate you and not have their own experiences.

Why bother having kids if all you are going to do is worry about everything that might happen to a point that you stop actually living life out of fear?

This is such a weirdly hyperbolic response. How does not going to sleepovers mean people/ children are not ‘living life’? It’s a relatively common childhood experience for some children in certain societies, it’s not some fundamental right of passage the denial of which means you’re living some kind of sheltered half life!

It's incredibly sad that people are living in such fear of something that is very unlikely to ever happen that they are denying their children experiences and presumably the opportunity to develop skills from being somewhere without their parents.

Well what are we classing as very unlikely? If you mean on balance it’s more unlikely to happen than not then yes I suppose so. But the risk of a child being sexually abused is not tiny - the NSPCC suggests around 1 in every 20 children has been sexually abused, and that’s just from cases that are reported. Over a third of police reported sexual offences are against children. And in the majority of cases it’s adults known to the child - now admittedly in many cases that will be family members, but not all. We know from personal stories on this thread that these things do happen at sleepovers, and I also know from personal experience.

Someone upthread used the ‘you might as well never fly again in case of terrorists’ analogy but to me, the risks of those two eventualities are orders of magnitude apart!

It’s not just about abuse; there’s all kinds of things that might go on in another family’s home that I might not be ok with. I went to a sleepover at 11 where we were allowed to watch 18 rated horror films, I was bloody traumatised but felt peer pressure to go along with it. By contrast, if the parents of the kids who used to sleep over at our house knew about the alcoholism and occasional DV I’m sure they wouldn’t have been so happy to allow them, but nobody bothered to check 🤷‍♀️

Like I said upthread, my DD is only 4 and whilst I’m leaning towards the idea that we won’t allow them during primary, if at all, the jury is still out and it’s a bridge we’ll cross at the time based on what info we have available. But I’m honestly baffled by those who equate not allowing sleepovers with locking their child in their rooms forever, forcing them to watch screens and nothing else, passing on anxiety and denying them any chance to develop normally. It’s a sleepover - it’s not a blanket ban on any socialisation whatsoever. DD has already experienced plenty of confidence building opportunities to develop social skills and resilience both with a parent there and without - and we’ll continue to encourage this in age appropriate ways as she grows, but I don’t feel like sleepovers are a particularly necessary part of that.

TheaBrandt · 08/09/2024 15:45

Disagree. Your Dd is inly 4. By late primary early secondary sleepovers are a big part of girls social lives.

Missamyp · 08/09/2024 15:56

Sleepovers for the girls have been a thing for years. We once accommodated 8 children in the loft room. The middle daughter has a sleepover at the end of September for her friend's birthday. I wasn't aware that it was a problem.

TheaBrandt · 08/09/2024 17:06

Round here there is a good community so we know the other families involved - it would have been viewed as quite unusual to totally not allow your Dd to have sleepovers with long established friends from late primary onwards. The dc would be pretty upset about it too.

Parker231 · 08/09/2024 17:11

Missamyp · 08/09/2024 15:56

Sleepovers for the girls have been a thing for years. We once accommodated 8 children in the loft room. The middle daughter has a sleepover at the end of September for her friend's birthday. I wasn't aware that it was a problem.

Nothing better than a house full of giggling girls staying up too late. I was always happy to host as were the parents of DT’s friends.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2024 17:18

It’s not just about abuse; there’s all kinds of things that might go on in another family’s home that I might not be ok with. I went to a sleepover at 11 where we were allowed to watch 18 rated horror films, I was bloody traumatised but felt peer pressure to go along with it. By contrast, if the parents of the kids who used to sleep over at our house knew about the alcoholism and occasional DV I’m sure they wouldn’t have been so happy to allow them, but nobody bothered to check

God forbid you build up a relationship with the parents and have a good idea of their parenting style and whether this is remotely likely.

AliasGrape · 08/09/2024 21:46

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2024 17:18

It’s not just about abuse; there’s all kinds of things that might go on in another family’s home that I might not be ok with. I went to a sleepover at 11 where we were allowed to watch 18 rated horror films, I was bloody traumatised but felt peer pressure to go along with it. By contrast, if the parents of the kids who used to sleep over at our house knew about the alcoholism and occasional DV I’m sure they wouldn’t have been so happy to allow them, but nobody bothered to check

God forbid you build up a relationship with the parents and have a good idea of their parenting style and whether this is remotely likely.

Because, notoriously, people either living with or perpetrating domestic violence are incredibly open about it, nobody ever hides it.

And the parents who allowed the horror films really didn’t seem the type either - whatever that type might be?

I’m not saying people are wrong for allowing sleepovers, I have literally no judgement about what other parents decide about that. I’m just so surprised that nobody can see why other parents may make a different choice, and seem to equate that with some kind of hysterical over-anxious parenting style when in reality we all make different judgement calls about stuff all the time. I can see both arguments and don’t see why others can’t, and are so insistent that anyone who doesn’t allow sleepovers is doing so for baseless reasons and rather than taking a considered decision based on what are actually real risks - as evidence and anecdotes/
experiences on this thread have shown.

And yes, my DD is 4. But I have children from babies up to teenagers in my immediate family, and I’ve worked with Early Years and primary age children for many years and spent a lot of time in safeguarding meetings. I’m prepared to accept that my stance on this might change as DD gets older, but my current feeling is informed by that too.

AliasGrape · 08/09/2024 21:54

TheaBrandt · 08/09/2024 15:45

Disagree. Your Dd is inly 4. By late primary early secondary sleepovers are a big part of girls social lives.

For some.

It’s not universal to all cultures for example, as posters have attested on this thread, and it’s not actually necessary to normal social development.

I might think again by secondary (I might actually think again by late primary, never said otherwise) - but DH and I will make a judgement call on that just like every other parent does when it comes to this or any other parenting decision. My point was more how surprised I was by the responses on this thread that really can’t seem to understand why others may say no even if they themselves are happy to allow them.

I’m happy to allow my kid to eat haribo on occasion but can totally understand why others wouldn’t want to.

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