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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 31/08/2024 20:22

@BeachParty

😂 Yes. Good answer! In the absence of anything useful to say… try to be clever/smug.

Meanwhile, everyone can see you flailing around without any substance to your ‘argument’.

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 31/08/2024 20:23

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 31/08/2024 20:03

Go ahead and report then 🤷‍♀️

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Do you feel better now, @Tandora ?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:24

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ReadingWorm · 31/08/2024 20:27

Please please report transphobia if you see it

Trying to catch up on this thread but there are dozens of deleted posts so I think it must have been reported.

What action does MN take against posters who break their guidelines?

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:28

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:21

TRA or MRA could be considered insulting

i mean it shouldn’t be, but I think its the activist bit that people find annoying

but being called a man isnt insulting IMHO, its not something i do…i always assume everyone on here is female unless they say otherwise 😀

For me personally, it’s not the activist bit. It’s the ‘men’s rights’ bit, when what I am advocating for is the rights of transwomen (who I am clear are women). But I suspect you (and your fellow GC posters now expressing disbelief that it is considered offensive) already knew that.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:29

Just because someone’s post is deleted doesnt mean it was a transphobic post, or even a personal attack

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:29

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No they're not offensive. 🙄
As a woman I don't want to be called a man though.
As I'm not.
It is offensive to be called one though repeatedly if you're not, and you're being really deliberately ? obtuse if you think it's not.

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:30

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:29

Just because someone’s post is deleted doesnt mean it was a transphobic post, or even a personal attack

What else do you get deleted for then?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:31

But I suspect you (and your fellow GC posters now expressing disbelief that it is considered offensive) already knew that

when did i say it wasn’t offensive, i literally said it could be considered offensive

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 31/08/2024 20:32

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RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:33

All sorts beachparty

yawn, bless, biscuit

i was deleted for saying ‘seriously mnhq’ the other day

i did put smiley faces so it might have been that 🤔

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:34

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:28

For me personally, it’s not the activist bit. It’s the ‘men’s rights’ bit, when what I am advocating for is the rights of transwomen (who I am clear are women). But I suspect you (and your fellow GC posters now expressing disbelief that it is considered offensive) already knew that.

What rights do transwomen (men) not already have, out of interest?

Would you advocate the same if someone absolutely believed they were a different age? Their body might be 45, but they believed in their inner soul they were 18. Is that ok? Can they participate in things solely for 18 year olds? What about different race?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:34

I don’t identify as GC either 😀

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/08/2024 20:35

Radiatorvalves · 29/08/2024 17:42

No. Where I work we have some men’s, sme women’s and some mixed loos. No one here (large employer) has issues with this. Even if they did I do not think I’d be starting an online petition to boycott the employer.

Quite. But the anti trans panic has to convince everyone that it's dangerous because something something ... not that they are prejudiced, heaven forfend.🙄

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:35

And no i didn’t know that…i see what you mean now though

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:35

The post literally says personal attacks and transphobic.
So why repeat the personal attack bit?
(Maybe an excuse to tag someone in to attack them again?)
I was asking what else do you get deleted for as the pp was saying you don't only get deleted for those.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:38

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/08/2024 20:35

Quite. But the anti trans panic has to convince everyone that it's dangerous because something something ... not that they are prejudiced, heaven forfend.🙄

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*anti men in women’s spaces. Try reading the thread/letter it’s actually about.

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:38

Nobody has ever just got deleted for saying yawn or bless. 🙄
Look, I just said it now.
Context. Background. Always conveniently missing.
Reminds me of those crying about racist rioters "just getting arrested for saying hurty words on the internet" 🙄
Conveniently missing out any context.
Exact. Same. Argument.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:40

🤷🏻

MellersSmellers · 31/08/2024 20:41

No I'm not boycotting JL based on that scanty information.
My previous workplace had unisex toilets. Each cubicle was self-contained, lockable, no urinals, own sink and mirror. No problem.
There's no information in that letter on what they have in mind.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:41

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:38

Nobody has ever just got deleted for saying yawn or bless. 🙄
Look, I just said it now.
Context. Background. Always conveniently missing.
Reminds me of those crying about racist rioters "just getting arrested for saying hurty words on the internet" 🙄
Conveniently missing out any context.
Exact. Same. Argument.

Any context about how men can become women, and if women can be transwomen by the arguments given here would be most welcome. Or will this be avoided. Every. Single. Time.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2024 20:41

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/08/2024 20:35

Quite. But the anti trans panic has to convince everyone that it's dangerous because something something ... not that they are prejudiced, heaven forfend.🙄

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Nah we just don’t think allowing men in women’s single sex spaces is a good idea. We keep men out however they present becatse we have no way of differentiating between men who are fine, men who get their kicks out of listening to women pissing for example or a man who is going to assault someone

my husband is lovely & wouldn’t hurt anyone but I don’t expect other women to just know this by telepathy hence he’s kept out of women’s spaces. He doesn’t take it personally because he’s not a self obsessed arse, he understands it’s about keeping out all men not just him

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:42

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:34

What rights do transwomen (men) not already have, out of interest?

Would you advocate the same if someone absolutely believed they were a different age? Their body might be 45, but they believed in their inner soul they were 18. Is that ok? Can they participate in things solely for 18 year olds? What about different race?

This thread is literally about the fact the OP would like to deny transwomen the rights that they’ve been given by John Lewis, Wes. Read from the beginning….