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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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GailBlancheViola · 30/08/2024 21:26

(In fairness, so does the law of the U.K.)

In fairness no it doesn't. You really don't understand the Law at all.

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:27

ButterCrackers · 30/08/2024 21:23

Having to use unisex loos is always disgusting due to the wee from men who miss the toilet. Women’s loos can be disgusting as well but it’s to a higher level of achievement in unisex loos. Women don’t leave the toilet covered in blood so why should men piss everywhere and it’s ok?

Oh my days. Your objection to unisex loos (not necessarily relevant to the question but hey) is that chaps miss the mark.

Deep.

ReadingWorm · 30/08/2024 21:27

I have to say@ElleWoods15 has been using this thread to hand the ‘trans women are not women’ brigade their ass for two nights in a row.

StMarieforme · 30/08/2024 21:28

cheekaa · 29/08/2024 17:40

I wonder if this may soon apply to the toilets used by female customers?

Like in aeroplanes? Trains?

Oh no!

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:29

GailBlancheViola · 30/08/2024 21:25

Okay so you'd be happy if we used the trans then? Or would you be reporting like mad?

Don't bother answering as I know the answer to that.

Terf is an offensive, demeaning slur and deemed so by eminent Judges in various court cases and is in fact banned on here, funny how you claim to not be rude, think you are so kind and tolerant and yet you want to use that term.

No it’s not. It’s not allowed as a personal
insult. I didn’t use it as such.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:29

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:20

Take it up with every dictionary in the land then Wes, if you don’t like it. Not me. As I say it’s an entirely standard term.

And thats the fundamental difference between you and I, I believe people can be other than that assigned at birth. (In fairness, so does the law of the U.K.)

It’s alright, I know what’s true and what’s not. The truth is they aren’t. No one is assigned a sex at birth. It’s assigned at conception and observed at birth. It can’t be changed. Legal fiction is still fiction.

Still avoiding all other points put to you.

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:31

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:29

It’s alright, I know what’s true and what’s not. The truth is they aren’t. No one is assigned a sex at birth. It’s assigned at conception and observed at birth. It can’t be changed. Legal fiction is still fiction.

Still avoiding all other points put to you.

Well it’s good that you know better than everyone there than your GC echo chamber on here! Go you!

StMarieforme · 30/08/2024 21:32

@GailBlancheViola so you can have your opinion but another poster can't?
How very very kind.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:33

StMarieforme · 30/08/2024 21:28

Like in aeroplanes? Trains?

Oh no!

Do trains and aeroplanes have designated sex toilets? I must've missed that.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:35

ReadingWorm · 30/08/2024 21:27

I have to say@ElleWoods15 has been using this thread to hand the ‘trans women are not women’ brigade their ass for two nights in a row.

🤣 I’d love for at least one attempt for Elle to ‘hand us their ass’. So much avoidance a politician would be proud.

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:38

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:33

Do trains and aeroplanes have designated sex toilets? I must've missed that.

I think that’s the pp’s point.

But maybe you practice ultra rawdogging every flight and don’t even wee.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:40

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:31

Well it’s good that you know better than everyone there than your GC echo chamber on here! Go you!

Echo chamber or, people who just know basic biological reality.

GailBlancheViola · 30/08/2024 21:40

StMarieforme · 30/08/2024 21:32

@GailBlancheViola so you can have your opinion but another poster can't?
How very very kind.

What are you referring to?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:44

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:38

I think that’s the pp’s point.

But maybe you practice ultra rawdogging every flight and don’t even wee.

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Why would I? If planes and trains had designated sex toilets and males pretending to be women went into them to get their validation kicks there would be a problem. As there is only single sex toilets on board, and everyone knows this prior to, so no deception involved, no problem. Not sure why this needs explaining. It’s really not the gotcha you think it is.

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:46

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:44

Why would I? If planes and trains had designated sex toilets and males pretending to be women went into them to get their validation kicks there would be a problem. As there is only single sex toilets on board, and everyone knows this prior to, so no deception involved, no problem. Not sure why this needs explaining. It’s really not the gotcha you think it is.

I don’t think it’s a ‘gotcha’. I just think you misunderstood the previous post. But that’s fine, Wes, no need for the aggro.

GailBlancheViola · 30/08/2024 21:48

Any minute now the trope about the toilets in our houses is going to be wheeled out.

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 30/08/2024 21:49

ReadingWorm · 30/08/2024 21:27

I have to say@ElleWoods15 has been using this thread to hand the ‘trans women are not women’ brigade their ass for two nights in a row.

Are you joking?

The ‘transwomen are not women’ brigade always make the TWAW team look ridiculous. Because they are.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:53

ElleWoods15 · 30/08/2024 21:46

I don’t think it’s a ‘gotcha’. I just think you misunderstood the previous post. But that’s fine, Wes, no need for the aggro.

No aggro. Anyway, still waiting patiently for you to address all the reasonable points put to you regarding placing male rights above women’s. Especially rape survivors, women of certain religions, what makes a man a woman etc etc etc. You don’t have to of course, I’m just genuinely interested in the mindset and inner workings of those who deny biological reality and see - and accept - women as collateral damage to special males.

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 30/08/2024 21:56

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/08/2024 21:53

No aggro. Anyway, still waiting patiently for you to address all the reasonable points put to you regarding placing male rights above women’s. Especially rape survivors, women of certain religions, what makes a man a woman etc etc etc. You don’t have to of course, I’m just genuinely interested in the mindset and inner workings of those who deny biological reality and see - and accept - women as collateral damage to special males.

They can’t answer these basic questions. I don’t know who they think they’re kidding?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 30/08/2024 21:59

ReadingWorm · 30/08/2024 21:27

I have to say@ElleWoods15 has been using this thread to hand the ‘trans women are not women’ brigade their ass for two nights in a row.

I’m not sure you are reading the same threads as me…

GrumpyPanda · 30/08/2024 21:59

saraclara · 29/08/2024 17:29

No. This is their employees' issue (and their unions?) to fight.

So nobody critical of Amazon's work conditions should call for, or even participate in, boycotting the company? After all, you just said it's not their circus, not their monkeys. How about Lidl back when they were massively exploiting German workers? Most of them women, I might point out.

Or maybe you're just taking such a neoliberal hedonist line when it's women's rights at stake. Figures.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 30/08/2024 22:56

I'd like to keep my highstreet so I won't be boycotting them.

BeachParty · 30/08/2024 23:00

I've been in a workplace today
Two toilets available, both unisex.
Better in a way, they were fully enclosed and accessible to all.

BeachParty · 30/08/2024 23:01

BeachParty · 30/08/2024 23:00

I've been in a workplace today
Two toilets available, both unisex.
Better in a way, they were fully enclosed and accessible to all.

This was in response to a comment, for some reason didn't quote right though

Lovelyview · 30/08/2024 23:09

ReadingWorm · 30/08/2024 21:27

I have to say@ElleWoods15 has been using this thread to hand the ‘trans women are not women’ brigade their ass for two nights in a row.

@ElleWoods15 has not explained how males (who have small gametes) can become females (who have large gametes). Has not explained why women should not be allowed to have single sex spaces when they want them. Has not represented the Equality Act accurately. Perhaps you might help @ElleWoods15 out because in my eyes its not going well for the TRAs.

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