To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

And I wonder if you have ever actually met or interacted with a female rape or assault victim?

You're right, there is so much ignorance on display.

The one born with balls.

I’ve seen signs in public loos at London area shopping mall that says “male attendant is cleaning in this area”. Toilets are not closed but men cleaning in there. The men’s maleness is not concealed.

How exactly is the male cleaning attendant different from a male in loos wearing female-indicating clothing?

The mall I’m referencing has a lot of customers for religious/cultural reasons would likely choose to not enter the toilets with men cleaning and might strongly complain if it were not signs.

Some women have more rights than others?

@Fancycheese

You don’t want to a space with “penised males”, well what about if they’ve had surgery? Is that ok? Somehow I doubt it.

Of course it's not okay to police what's in other people's pants. What on earth gave you the impression that it was?

Nor do I, and I suspect the overwhelming majority of other women, have any desire to know.

And you don’t want to be in the presence of any men in spaces for women because “their presence may be problematic to some women”. So this is solely an altruistic endeavour to help “some” (undefined) women.

Women are very easily defined. They are the adult humans with smaller skeletal frames, a lesser muscle density than that of men, usually XX chromosomes, a smaller overall size and frame, differences in hair distribution, a generally higher pitch of voice, a lesser physical strength, a female reproductive system, the capacity to menstruate, and whose bodies are designed around the production of large gametes. That's if all the above is working as it should. If it happens not to be, then said women are still very much women, just atypical of their species.

Not one recorded human being in the history of our species has ever possessed the ability to produce both large and small gametes simultaneously and in the same body.

You're welcome.

Fortunately a fundamental tenet of English jurisprudence is that we don’t condemn an entire group of people because of one bad apple.

Another fundamental tenet is the prevention of crime. It is why we have safeguarding rules, why things like single sex spaces were put in place.

Are we condemning everyone who works with children, the elderly, the vulnerable by requiring them to have DBS checks and to be trained in safeguarding procedures and rules because of the actions of several 'bad apples'?

By your logic we should remove all the above, that what you want?

What’s your endgame? Lock up all men because of the bad actors?!

Ah hyperbole. No just retain single sex spaces as one strand of prevention of crime against women and girls.

Problem is the male born trans people will demand access to the women's because what they crave is either validation or to push women's boundaries.

Oh Gail. Because hyperbole is never the resort of the GC.

Male cleaning attendants normally announce their presence before they enter the ladies' loos and give people a chance to leave. The wet floor sign also lets people know that there may be a cleaner inside and therefore not be surprised to see a man inside. They can then decide to proceed or wait.

Men in dresses don't normally alert people to their maleness nor do they wait for women to leave before they enter the room. They don't show any respect or regard for other women or give them the opportunity to choose not to use the loo in the presence of a male.

Oh Elle. Because not responding to the actual point is never the resort of the MRAs.

Still waiting for you to let me know what makes a transwoman different to a man and to clarify your position on whether you care about women and girls who don't wish to/can't share their spaces with men?

Because ignoring/side stepping reasonable points put to you is never the resort of TRA’s.
Care to address any of them? I also asked before, what’s ’the GC’, by your definition?

Oh Gail. Because hyperbole is never the resort of the GC.

The GC, how rude. You'd combust if we referred to the trans wouldn't you?

Care to answer any question(s)? Or is ignoring always your resort?

The Gender Critical persons on this forums. It’s a fairly standard abbreviation. I thought you liked it more than terf.

But what does gender critical mean? How do you define it?

To use it you must be able to explain it surely?

Why do people who believe in basic fact need an abbreviation? It’s the same as CIS. You’re creating a category for natural state/fact in order to not ‘other’ the unnatural state, but it’s nonsense.

It’s a fairly standard term @AccidentallyWesAnderson; I’m surprised you need it explaining. Sorry, it’s not that I can’t, more I assumed it wasn’t necessary.

It means someone who believes that sex can’t be changed, and can also doubt the concept of gender identity.

Any issues with that as a description?!

It’s not rude. It’s an adjectival noun.

Well yeah. That’s not a belief though. That’s just fact. I’m puzzled as to why a special term has been devised for people who know… fact. No one can change sex. I’d hazard a guess that even the most ardent of TRA’s know this too. Would they be GC too?

At work we have a trans employee that uses female toilets. No one cares. This in a major company as well. I’d rather there were unisex toilets everywhere tbh.

Take it up with every dictionary in the land then Wes, if you don’t like it. Not me. As I say it’s an entirely standard term.

And thats the fundamental difference between you and I, I believe people can be other than that assigned at birth. (In fairness, so does the law of the U.K.)

Have you asked every female in the (major) company if they mind?

Having to use unisex loos is always disgusting due to the wee from men who miss the toilet. Women’s loos can be disgusting as well but it’s to a higher level of achievement in unisex loos. Women don’t leave the toilet covered in blood so why should men piss everywhere and it’s ok?

Okay so you'd be happy if we used the trans then? Or would you be reporting like mad?

Don't bother answering as I know the answer to that.

Terf is an offensive, demeaning slur and deemed so by eminent Judges in various court cases and is in fact banned on here, funny how you claim to not be rude, think you are so kind and tolerant and yet you want to use that term.