To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Wow. So you think only women with 'genuine' trauma/certain religious beliefs are allowed to object to having men in single sex spaces?! (And even then you think they'll just have to put up with it?) I have none of those things but I do not want to share single sex spaces with MEN. For all the obvious reasons why we have single sex spaces in the first place.

That's not a shared space then is it. It's a single loo.

you aren't sharing a toilet though, it's a door that locks.

a women's bathroom has the same number of locked doors between it and a man in a different men's bathroom, as it does in a mixed bathroom. one.

I don't think they'd even notice if some people boycotted them tbh. Not unless you're an extremely big spender there usually.

Is it floor to ceiling? No gaps?

Depends whether you have opinions on biological males being in the female toilets I guess

I think it's interesting that there's a mention upthread that Primark changed their policy to have women only changing rooms again. Presumably they listened to feedback.

JFC! You think women who don't want to get changed in front of men who identify as women are prejudiced? I think it's DISGUSTING that you think women should be FORCED into situations where they're in various states of undress in front of males!

Sorry, I’m not sure one what planet you think your previous post was ‘technically accurate’. It was (and was clearly designed to be) simply offensive.

In MN parlance, give your head a wobble.

It's ok. If they have 'genuine' trauma, they can object. We won't listen or change anything, but they can object 😁

How in the ever living fuck am I being irrational?

See your post at 20.23.

It's not about sharing a toilet!

Where did people suddenly forget the whole rationale behind single sex toilets?! Dignity and privacy are the main drivers but theres also the accepted truth that men can be dangerous. If we let them into the ladies loos, this makes predatory and inappropriate behaviour even more likely. Nobody objects on threads about women unsure as to whether to send their young boys into the men's alone - everyone knows why they might not do that.

The problem is not 'trans', it's men.

Do wo/men identifying as male want to use men's loos?

In all the many debates about loos, it seems that all people want to use women's loos but no one, not even (straight/regular/identifying) men themselves, wants to use men's loos. What could be done to make men's toilets more appealing for everyone?

DD14 has just told me about how the toilets at her school have been remodeled over the summer so that there are stalls and that handwashing areas will be communal and that she knows the boys will 'trash' these. Why is this? Why will they not keep all areas tidy?

I can understand (trans)men in dresses being leery of men's toilets but do women presenting/identifying as men want go in men's toilets?

I've never felt particularly girly but I can't imagine relishing men's loos. I've always avoided them because I know, in the urinal section, they all have their willies out and I think it would be rude to intrude since I'm not a man.

Perhaps, if I were dead chuffed to be expressing my masculine side, I would be keen to join the swinging dicks?

I didn't either - all I know is that when I went into a large, northern branch to pick up a bulk shop for my DS, that was the changing-room layout I encountered. It's interesting that this happened in the wake of the video of the distressed woman who encountered predatory males in their formerly mixed-sex-only changing space.

It actually works for us really well. DS is too young at 10 to use male facilities on his own but too old for female-only changing. And this is a rule I never break with my son as I want to reinforce the message that women's and girls' 'place' is not automatically to budge up and cede over their fought-for spaces for males. DS well understands this principle. I believe if we want to change the entrenched misogyny in our society, more men need to be given these messages as boys. Swimming is a headache, but it's for us to work around that and if this means finding other venues with changing rooms that suit our needs, so be it.

I don't know if Primark have any formal policy.

@ElleWoods15 were all the victims in the above cases also irrational?

I think the reason these debates end up being about women’s toilets doesn’t relate to who wants to use what, it relates to the level of hysteria that GC posters on boards like MN are able to create.

JL employees need to fight their own battles - they’re supposed to own the company, aren’t they? No way am I boycotting my favourite shop.

What do the articles you’ve linked have to do with trans women using female toilets?! And also, reread that 20.23 post and ask yourself if you don’t sound a bit hysterical.

Transwomen are men, you realise?

Look at the language you are using. The issue is that women aren’t safe around men yet you are coming across as aggressive and intimidating.

You are going off on unrelated tangents which I have not mentioned (the suffragettes?!) and for some reason feel the need to keep this up even though we obviously have different views (which is absolutely fine and allowed 😊)

Hysteria? Really? You must be the only woman on the planet who isn't aware that men commit 98% of all sex offences and use whatever opportunity they can to do so. What a sheltered life you've led.

Not even comparable - I'm not being excluded, women can still go in, and also out in public.
You can choose not to though, - it doesn't mean women aren't allowed to.