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why doesn't anyone tell you about the grief?

316 replies

FunnysInLaJardin · 28/08/2024 21:57

That you feel when you child goes to university?

I have been struggling with it for months, but it doesn't seem to be acknowledged.

I understand that some people are happy for their DC to leave home, but there are so many of us that feel deep sadness about it.

I wish I had known all of this in advance, that I was going to feel all of this

OP posts:
MrsSkylerWhite · 31/08/2024 00:28

Miss them terribly I get. Grief, though? Really?

FlippyFloppyShoe · 31/08/2024 00:37

CloudywMeatballs · 29/08/2024 18:45

Empty nest syndrome is a well known phenomenon, so I find it surprising that it took you by surprise.

My kids are young adults now. In my experience of my friends with kids the same age, the ones who found them going off to university the hardest were those who:

  • Had never experienced a devastating bereavement and therefore unimaginable grief (which is a far cry from the sadness of a child leaving home),
  • Didn't have any children with special needs who would never get the chance or have the capability of going away to university,
  • Didn't have a child who due to the pandemic was forced to spend their entire first year of university online and living at home.

If you're feeling "grief" because your child is going away to university I suggest you remind yourself how lucky you are.

Maybe add wasn't divorced and had to have their children be away from the from an early age to this list too, as I can't see an adult leaving home being as devastating as having to wave a reluctant 4 year old off.

Tinkeebell · 31/08/2024 00:47

GrannyRose15 · 30/08/2024 21:07

That is tragic and I wish those involved all the best in the world. But belittling someone else’s grief because you know someone who has endured even more suffering doesn’t help anyone.

Well said

cherish123 · 31/08/2024 00:49

My dad felt it when I went to university 30 years ago.

Tinkeebell · 31/08/2024 00:53

So many posters on here criticising the op for using the word grief.
While it's not the same grief we experience with death and bereavement it's still a sadness that they're feeling, and in no way did the op belittle anyone else's grief she simply stated that it was harder than expected to have her child go away from home.
She didn't write it to make anyone feel bad so why don't others offer her the same courtesy.

Bunny65 · 31/08/2024 01:11

Think of it this way. If they had wanted to go but hadn't been able to or had gone and decided they hated it you would have felt a different sort of grief. Imagine if they were still at home and feeling miserable and/or rudderless while all their friends were away having a great time. Also, they will be back before you know it for holidays etc and you can also go and visit. Think of your own life when you were their age and off doing things. Your children will always need you. Meanwhile, do all the things you enjoy and enjoy the freedom to do them.

MadMadaMim · 31/08/2024 01:14

I voted YABU because people do tell you. It's everywhere leading up to start of uni. Online articles, social media, Mumsnet etx

Also, how could you not realise?

Either you've been like by ng under a rock or in denial.

And yes - it's heartbreaking and brutal and, personally, has not gotten any easier gmine is about to start 3rd year. They've been on the other side of the world for 2 months for the whole summer on a placement. I tried to prepare in their last year of school as I knew, realistically that they'd never really live at home again after A levels. There's no preparation. You just have to go through it.

It's horrible and hard but teyg to focus on the positives. Rhsyre making their own lives, new friends, new adventures, new opportunities. If we're good parents, we'll have made their transition manageable and enjoyable with minimal stress and anxiety. They'll be confident and happy.

Best of luck to you all and hopefully, it will become more acceptable and less painful for you

GrannyRose15 · 31/08/2024 01:19

CalmMintReader · 30/08/2024 22:01

These comments don’t help anyone! The t just encourages others to feel the same and wallow. Our kids live with us far longer than nature intended and they are home for a large part of the year!

These comments validate what another human being is feeling. I think they call it empathy. It’s dismissing other people’s genuine feelings that doesn’t help anyone.

Georgethecat1 · 31/08/2024 06:36

I hope I feel a lot like most of you. I already dread my kids leaving,

My mum told me I no longer had a bedroom as it was slightly bigger, moved my younger sibling into that room and said I know could stay in the spare room when ever I visited. She spoke about how she never wanted to return home so assumed I would be the same. I never really felt welcome home, so I never returned, I have so much jealousy for some of your kids abd how much you love them / being around them

Lentilweaver · 31/08/2024 06:52

shehasglasses48 · 30/08/2024 22:49

They’ll be back, don’t worry. Too expensive for them to live independently as we did in the 80/90s unless they want to rough it or have a huge trust fund.

Absolutely this!

Mummamap · 31/08/2024 06:54

It is real grief. My oldest is off in two weeks and a sadness washes over me, I have cried so much over his leaving. My husband cannot understand it.
I am excited for him and so proud he has got this far but my heart is so heavy. I love him being at home and the contributions he makes to the family and the wider family, I just know I will miss him so much.

Textual · 31/08/2024 07:00

I don’t think it’s good to dismiss people’s feelings. There is always somebody who has it worse. Financially, health wise, relationship-wise etc. That doesn’t mean you can’t ever complain or worry.

Grief is an emotional response to a loss. If you google it, you can see many causes of grief, including death but also a divorce, a serious diagnosis, losing your home etc. Of course death of a loved one, especially a child is the worst it can get. But does that does not mean that people cannot feel symptoms akin to grief when a child leaves home.

For somebody feeling real symptoms of grief, it is not helpful to tell them that they should be grateful instead. Yes it is good for them as individuals to focus on the positive but I never find it helpful to lecture somebody who is feeling what they feel.

The one thing they do need is to know their audience. Somebody feeling grief at their child leaving home should obviously not be complaining and using words like grief to a friend who has lost a child.

Textual · 31/08/2024 07:07

I have two currently at university. I was surprised at how badly my first child leaving hit me. I have a full-time job as a hospital consultant (v v busy), different groups of friends and an active London life. I was excited about my eldest going and thought I would be fine.

However, the first two weeks I would say after coming home were rather brutal. I would feel emotional going to the supermarket. I would pick up things that I would normally buy for them and then have to put them down. I didn’t cry much, not even after dropping them. I just felt empty and flat.

My own feelings I did not liken to grief. But I did say I felt like I had been dumped. That heavy feeling inside, with reminders of the loved one everywhere. I coped much better with the subsequent child. Especially as they FaceTimed me loads!

Both will be leaving again soon and I’m starting to feel a bit sad. It has been a great summer. But I have never cried properly after the first time, although I do feel a bit emotional.

I did schedule in lots of social events for when my kids first left home in order to keep busy.

It is a massive life change and you will never be the biggest focus of their lives again really. I think that was what hit me, almost more than the actual physical absence.

The two things I have which console me are that they haven’t properly ‘left’ until they have moved out and/or are living with their own partners ;-) And also, for me worse than them leaving to go to university and leading full independent lives, would be them not going at all.

Everybody is unique as to how they cope, and I don’t judge anyone.

Mrsdyna · 31/08/2024 07:30

theresnoautomobile · 30/08/2024 17:54

Wow you must have lived a very fortunate life then and of course it's totally natural to be apart from your grown up adult children!

Again, I disagree.

BigButtons · 31/08/2024 07:31

Not1Not2Butt3Holes · 30/08/2024 21:24

Where did I belittle anyone? I'm simply agreeing with others who also believe that grief is on another scale to what the OP is experiencing as it is especially associated after the death of a loved one.

Bereavement and grief are different. You can grieve over many things- it is a deep sense of loss. Bereavement is brief that is specific to the loss of a loved one.

Mrsdyna · 31/08/2024 07:31

Hectorscalling · 30/08/2024 18:44

Ah ok. Plenty of tribes have customs where adult children leave. For prolonged period or permanently. You said generic ‘tribes’ like ‘tribes’ are one group with the same customs and culture.

You need educating as ‘tribes’ don’t all have the same customs.

If you don’t know which tribes. Just say that. Hiding it in ‘you need to educate yourself’ is just a bit odd and suggests you should said without thinking.

Children becoming independent from their parents is entirely natural. Children being away for several weeks is entirely natural. Think of it as though they are going on an extended hunting expedition, or looking for potential resources and will be back soon. If that makes it feel more natural.

How far back are we looking when you say it’s not natural? Many of the first humans were nomadic. So is it not natural to live in a house for many years? Many things that are ‘natural’ we actively try to work against. being ‘natural’ doesn’t mean it the ideal state of being.

All I can say to you is that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about but are waffling on to try to appear like you do.

FootieMama · 31/08/2024 07:43

Yes I am really struggling. I didn't expect that at least not to be so upset about it. We don't spend a lot of time together because I work full time and he has his life.
I think is the end of an era thing. The realisation that he is starting a new stage in his life. That the bulk of the mum job has passed as he is an "adult" now.

I think his youger brother is also strugling and he will be likely be leaving too next year

Freysimo · 31/08/2024 07:47

Cesarina · 30/08/2024 19:03

I felt grief like never before, (not even when my parents died), when my daughter went to study, then work, overseas. I still miss her all the time. And yes, I did and do have a life other than being a mother, and it’s extremely insulting and ignorant for people to assume that just because I miss her, I don’t. You can actually do both, believe it or not.
I cannot in a million years imagine the grief that is experienced if a child of yours dies. I mean that sincerely - and I have enormous respect and admiration for parents whom that has happened to, but who carry on because they have to.
But to say to parents who miss their kids who have moved away that they’re not entitled to feel grief because real grief is reserved for parents whose children have died is cruel and insensitive.
Of course I accept that my grief is nowhere near what it would be if my daughter died. But grief comes in different forms, and as far as I know does not have to be a competition.

Grief is literally intense sorrow, especially caused by someone's death, not feeling a bit sad because your child is going to uni.

Umbrella15 · 31/08/2024 07:50

I know how you feel. My youngest daughter is leaving for uni in 2 weeks. I am extremly close to my daughter. I am dreading it. I know she will be ok. I cried when my son left for uni. I am closer to my daughter, so am dreading it.

joolsella · 31/08/2024 07:54

I feel for you .

My child is 6 and im dreading the day she leaves me

EllaPaella · 31/08/2024 08:01

My eldest hasn't come back after uni.. he stayed in the city he studied in and now has a really solid career so is not going to be moving home. I actually feel sadder about it now than when I took him off to uni 4 years ago, bursting with pride and so excited for him about everything he had ahead of him.
Obviously I am so proud and happy that he has made such a success of his life, but he really is one of my favourite people and I wish he was just a bit nearer.

WanOban · 31/08/2024 08:20

GrannyRose15 · 30/08/2024 21:12

No it isn’t. Grief comes in many forms. All are valid in their own way.

Grief is sadness following a loss. A child growing up and going to university is not a loss. It’s an inevitable part of growing up and living an independent life. This is a good thing.

Some parents have disabled children who will never be able to live independently. So what exactly are these parents of independent successful adults grieving? Would they rather their child can’t live independently and leave home?

It is ok to feel sad, but equating it to real grief is insulting to parents who are grieving a dead child, a child who will never live independently.

A child emigrating permanently to somewhere far away like New Zealand and a child going no contact is also a loss where grief would be appropriate word to use.

ssd · 31/08/2024 08:25

Tinkeebell · 31/08/2024 00:53

So many posters on here criticising the op for using the word grief.
While it's not the same grief we experience with death and bereavement it's still a sadness that they're feeling, and in no way did the op belittle anyone else's grief she simply stated that it was harder than expected to have her child go away from home.
She didn't write it to make anyone feel bad so why don't others offer her the same courtesy.

👏👏👏

ssd · 31/08/2024 08:30

Seen this years ago on mn

"My local paper has printed this every year since 2006 at this time of year (back to uni time). It sums it up for me.

"I wasn't wrong about their leaving. My husband kept telling me I was. That it wasn't the end of the world when first one child, then another , and then the last packed their bags and left for college.

But it was the end of something. Can you pick me up, Mum?" What's for dinner?" ``What do you think?"

I was the sun and they were the planets. And there was life on those planets, whirling, non stop plans and parties and friends coming and going, and ideas and dreams and the phone ringing and doors slamming.

And I got to beam down on them. To watch. To glow.

And then they were gone, one after the other.

``They'll be back," my husband said. And he was right. They came back. But he was wrong, too, because they came back for intervals -- not for always, not planets anymore, making their predictable orbits, but unpredictable, like shooting stars.

Always is what you miss. Always knowing where they are. At school. At play practice. At a ballgame. At a friend's. Always looking at the clock mid day and anticipating the door opening, the sigh, the smile, the laugh, the shrug. How was school?" answered for years in too much detail. And then he said . . . and then I said to him. . . ." Then hardly answered at all.

Always, knowing his friends.

Her favourite show.

What he had for breakfast.

What she wore to school.

What he thinks.

How she feels.

My friend Beth's twin girls left for university yesterday. They are her fourth and fifth children. She's been down this road three times before. You'd think it would get easier.

``I don't know what I'm going to do without them," she has said every day for months.

And I have said nothing, because, really, what is there to say?

A chapter ends. Another chapter begins. One door closes and another door opens. The best thing a parent can give their child is wings. I read all these things when my children left home and thought then what I think now: What do these words mean?

Eighteen years isn't a chapter in anyone's life. It's a whole book, and that book is ending and what comes next is connected to, but different from, everything that has gone before.

Before was an infant, a toddler, a child, a teenager. Before was feeding and changing and teaching and comforting and guiding and disciplining, everything hands -on. Now?

Now the kids are young adults and on their own and the parents are on the periphery, and it's not just a chapter change. It's a sea change.

As for a door closing? Would that you could close a door and forget for even a minute your children and your love for them and your fear for them, too. And would that they occupied just a single room in your head. But they're in every room in your head and in your heart.

As for the wings analogy? It's sweet. But children are not birds. Parents don't let them go and build another nest and have all new offspring next year.

Saying goodbye to your children and their childhood is much harder than all the pithy sayings make it seem. Because that's what going to university is. It's goodbye.

It's not a death. And it's not a tragedy.

But it's not nothing, either.

To grow a child, a body changes. It needs more sleep. It rejects food it used to like. It expands and it adapts.

To let go of a child, a body changes, too. It sighs and it cries and it feels weightless and heavy at the same time.

The drive home alone without them is the worst. And the first few days. But then it gets better. The kids call, come home, bring their friends, fill the house with their energy again.

Life does go on.

Can you give me a ride to the mall?" Mum, make him stop!" I don't miss this part of parenting, playing chauffeur and referee. But I miss them, still, all these years later, the children they were, at the dinner table, beside me on the couch, talking on the phone, sleeping in their rooms, safe, home, mine."

Pliudev · 31/08/2024 08:42

I voted that you are being unreasonable because I don't know how you missed the discussions about this that crop up every year both on here and in newspapers.
It does seem a rather brutal first letting go but you may as well get used to it. Uni breaks you in gently, after all, they'll be back for holidays, maybe even 'reading week' if they still exist. After graduation, they may even move back until they find a job. When that happens they will be gone in my experience.

Having said that, the first term is the longest so plan a weekend visit and prepare to be supportive. Uni isn't all great. We spent our weekend visit listening to tearful complaints that DS swiftly put to one side once we'd gone home.