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JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 14:42

Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

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kittybiscuits · 17/08/2024 16:21

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:00

It's interesting how so much time has been spent hooting with derision at politicians for talking about women with penises and men with vaginas - but now all of a sudden a man can have a vagina, just because you've found a particular individual you want to attack?

This isn't about "basic biology " when you can't even keep to your own rules - this is just about prejudice. The fact is if Khelif does have a DSD, that means her and individuals like her disprove the foundation of your argument that sex is simple and binary, and you can't have that so you have to attack her.

I mean, where to start with this...🙄

Tandora · 17/08/2024 16:22

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/08/2024 16:19

Stating facts isn’t transphobia. Go on, enter.

They aren’t “facts”. It’s anti trans hate speech.

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 16:22

@DadJoke why do you hate women? really genuine question.
Have you ever examined why you hate women so much?
Maybe you should?

Tandora · 17/08/2024 16:23

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 16:20

It never ceases to amaze me, and I really mean amaze as in deeply shock and disturb, just how fucking ignorant people are.

I know right.

Dygger · 17/08/2024 16:23

Being "raised female" is irrelevant to their eligibility to compete

it’s not though. Which is part of why she was eligible to compete in olympics.

No, what made him eligible to compete in the Olympics is he had F printed in his passport. This is a matter of public record: please stick to the facts.

BeSpoonyAquaHare · 17/08/2024 16:23

Yes, I think that’s exactly what has happened. She tweeted a lot of information which she hadn’t fact checked, which subsequently turned out to be untrue, and which has resulted in legal action. She will have been advised very seriously by her solicitors not to say anything at all.

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:23

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 16:12

If we stuck my DP in a boxing ring against elite fighters he'd probably lose every time. Doesn't prove he's a woman, just proves he's a shit boxer. 🤷🏼‍♀️

But Khelif isn't a shit boxer, she trains at an elite level. I dare say if your DP had the same training she had, he would beat women with the same training all the time. But Khelif doesn't. She's successful sometimes and unsuccessful other times. Which doesn't suggest she has a physical advantage, it suggests she's fighting her physical peers.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 16:23

SiobhanSharpe · 17/08/2024 16:16

We don't know for a fact that Khelif has external female genitals. There is a DSD in males which means they are born with a 'micro-penis' which can lead to it being mistaken for a clitoris, or if it is recognised to be a penis, medics and family might decide that being raised as a female would be better for such an individual.
I believe it is extremely unlikely that such individuals will have ovaries or a uterus even if they have what might appear to be female external genitalia.

In this particular DSD - the one that matches the known facts - uterus and ovaries are impossible.

Babies with 5ARD are born with - even at the most "female" end of the scale - undescendes testes, micro penis, hypospadias, and a pseudovaginal pouch. Again, even at the worst end of the scale, this tends to be ambiguous rather than truly look female.

Then puberty hits and their micropenis grows, testes can descend (though don't always), and the majority of typical male puberty occurs- hence the colloquial name "penis at twelve"/"guevedoces"

Individuals have XY chromosomes and normal male testosterone levels. Healthy women do not have male testosterone levels, nor do women with PCOS - theirs is raised, but not to male quantities.

W1nnweD1nner · 17/08/2024 16:23

Dygger · 17/08/2024 16:20

Hence the law suit.

There is no law suit.

Well there is a lawsuit against X with JKR, Trump and Musk named.

Nice company.

www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/14/jk-rowling-and-elon-musk-named-in-imane-khelif-cyberbullying-lawsuit

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/08/2024 16:23

DadJoke · 17/08/2024 16:20

Start reading her Twitter feed from about five years ago. If you can’t see anything transphobic, at all you are part of the problem.

I think it’s those that can’t handle biological reality and try and change the meaning of words to suit their own agenda that’s the problem.

Another potential entrant for the million pound prize!

halava · 17/08/2024 16:24

Follow the money. Look at who he is suing. It is not the millions of other X or online users. Huh.

lubl · 17/08/2024 16:24

BeSpoonyAquaHare · 17/08/2024 16:23

Yes, I think that’s exactly what has happened. She tweeted a lot of information which she hadn’t fact checked, which subsequently turned out to be untrue, and which has resulted in legal action. She will have been advised very seriously by her solicitors not to say anything at all.

what proved to be untrue?

Tandora · 17/08/2024 16:24

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 16:23

In this particular DSD - the one that matches the known facts - uterus and ovaries are impossible.

Babies with 5ARD are born with - even at the most "female" end of the scale - undescendes testes, micro penis, hypospadias, and a pseudovaginal pouch. Again, even at the worst end of the scale, this tends to be ambiguous rather than truly look female.

Then puberty hits and their micropenis grows, testes can descend (though don't always), and the majority of typical male puberty occurs- hence the colloquial name "penis at twelve"/"guevedoces"

Individuals have XY chromosomes and normal male testosterone levels. Healthy women do not have male testosterone levels, nor do women with PCOS - theirs is raised, but not to male quantities.

It is frankly appalling that you are diagnosing this boxer’s body from your armchair. You have no idea what you are talking about.

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:24

Dygger · 17/08/2024 16:23

Being "raised female" is irrelevant to their eligibility to compete

it’s not though. Which is part of why she was eligible to compete in olympics.

No, what made him eligible to compete in the Olympics is he had F printed in his passport. This is a matter of public record: please stick to the facts.

An F in her Algerian passport. Algeria does not issue female passports to people who aren't assigned female at birth.

DadJoke · 17/08/2024 16:25

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Tandora · 17/08/2024 16:25

DadJoke · 17/08/2024 16:20

Start reading her Twitter feed from about five years ago. If you can’t see anything transphobic, at all you are part of the problem.

If you can’t see anything transphobic, at all you are part of the problem

exactly. Very much part of the problem.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/08/2024 16:26

Tandora · 17/08/2024 16:22

They aren’t “facts”. It’s anti trans hate speech.

You’ve stated that calling trans women men (a fact) is transphobic so you won’t be surprised to not take much of what you say seriously.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/08/2024 16:27

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Has she ‘attacked’ any trans men? Aka females?

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 16:27

@tandora iirc you are the poster who minimised my experience of DV on a previous thread, so you'll forgive me not engaging 🤷🏼‍♀️

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:27

halava · 17/08/2024 16:24

Follow the money. Look at who he is suing. It is not the millions of other X or online users. Huh.

Probably because the intention of her lawsuit was to identify the people responsible for the spread of the rumours and Joe Blogs tweeting to his 20 followers cannot be said to be spreading misinformation in quite the same way as public figures making pronouncements to millions.

StealthSpinach · 17/08/2024 16:27

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:23

But Khelif isn't a shit boxer, she trains at an elite level. I dare say if your DP had the same training she had, he would beat women with the same training all the time. But Khelif doesn't. She's successful sometimes and unsuccessful other times. Which doesn't suggest she has a physical advantage, it suggests she's fighting her physical peers.

Rubbish.
IKs “physical peers” were clearly shown in the training camp before the games, where the boxing coaches had to pair IK with a male - as every female who sparred with IK ended up injured. Only male boxers were able to match IK - those male boxers were IKs “physical peers”.

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RVEllacott · 17/08/2024 16:28

DadJoke · 17/08/2024 16:20

Start reading her Twitter feed from about five years ago. If you can’t see anything transphobic, at all you are part of the problem.

Whenever someone (and it's usually women because men don't get anything like the same push back - I wonder why?) says anything about women's rights and the need for female only spaces and opportunities they're immediately dismissed as transphobic.

At this point the word "transphobic" has ceased to have any meaning because even basic biology is transphobic. That kind of knee jerk reaction really doesn't help anyone, including those with gender dysphoria.

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:28

StealthSpinach · 17/08/2024 16:27

Rubbish.
IKs “physical peers” were clearly shown in the training camp before the games, where the boxing coaches had to pair IK with a male - as every female who sparred with IK ended up injured. Only male boxers were able to match IK - those male boxers were IKs “physical peers”.

So the women who've beaten her in the ring must also have been men then?

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