JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

On holiday with the kids and not wasting that time on her phone when she could be swimming in a perfect sea, eating freshly caught fish and drinking the sweetest fruit juice in cocktails, I expect.

Incorrect. T/E ratio test is part of the standard ITA anti-doping screening.

This is separate from eligibility.

She should have stayed at home and kept quiet like a good little woman, you mean? Bollocks. She's talented and powerful and has had trouble enough breaking gender stereotypes by being a girl who boxes, she has every right to celebrate that and to be celebrated. Why should she be stay at home and be ashamed because of other people's prejudices? Do you blame everyone who experiences prejudice for being presumptuous enough to exist in public?

How many of the people who think Khelif is a woman still think that Caster Semenya is 'a woman with naturally high testosterone levels'?

Even the biased BBC has admitted that men with 46 XY 5 ARD are massively over represented in elite female sports. Men with this DSD are typically born with a small penis and undescended testicles, so their genitalia can be mistaken for a vulva at birth.

But these boys then go through male puberty. Instead of getting periods, their voices break and they grown an Adam's apple.

In Caster Semenya's case were were all told that he 'grew up as a woman', but evidence suggests he knew he was a boy. A photo in his autobiography shows him at 15 wearing nothing by a pair of swimming trunks. How many women publish topless photos of themselves at 15?

Here's an interview with Semenya where he describes women and girls as 'they' and 'them'. It's almost as if he only claims to be a woman when he's taking medals away from us.

You’re really not coming across as neutral, no mention of all of the good she’s done for women and girls? Just the random things you’re deciding she hasn’t done now?

Yes, with all the privilege of a billionaire who's lost touch with reality and has money to protect her from the consequences

Useful chart for anyone who wants to see testosterone levels in males Vs females. Note that the caster and Hubbard lines are the levels they had to reduce to. Casters actual testosterone level was reported as 21 in their legal case

You don't know what genitalia they have.
"To all intents and purposes is a woman" is absolutely meaningless.
Are you claiming being "raised as one" makes you a woman? It does not.
Believing you are a woman also does not make you one.
Khelif and Lin both failed sex tests. They have seen the results. So they may have no control over their biology, but they made a choice to go ahead and fight females because the IOC only requires an "F" on a passport.
The choice to fight women knowing they have male physiology and have gone through male puberty is what they're being criticised for. That choice wasn't outwith their control.

I can imagine it is very difficult growing up potentially having a DSD, if that in fact is the case here. But we don’t always get what we want in life, and the possibility of being male and competing in women’s sports should be one of those.

The IOC said they didn't test for testosterone

It is very notable though that not just JKR but ALL the gender critical voices who are apparently so concerned about women and children had so much more to say about two female boxers than they did about the actual paedophile rapist competing...

I'm speaking specifically around JK's comments during the Olympics, it isn't a thread dedicated to her whole life. I also don't think I've said anything that is unfairly negative - she didn't comment on the child rapist - that isn't a negative statement that's just a fact.

The IBA can't release someone's private medical information to the media without their consent.

Yes they can.

There was no "required limit" for testosterone in this case. The IOC just allowed them to compete on the basis that it says F in their passports.

T/E ratio tests are part of the standard anti-doping screening carried out by the ITA.

She does take breaks from twitter, often when she's working on a new book and during holidays so this doesn't seem like anything at all.
As for the comments about her tweeting about boxing and not the child rapist (and I've got no clue if she did or not) as some kind of gotcha, she has put her money where her mouth is in creating and funding Beira's Place. She's providing practical help and support for female victims of male violence out of her own pocket. That's worth more than any amount of tweeting.
I think its staggeringly unlikely that her not tweeting for a few days has anything to do with IK.
It does, however, however seem likely that OP is just stirring.

Just those pesky chromosomes.

There are multiple posts on this thread that are more 'cyberbullying' of JKR than her posts about the boxing. Which is a high profile issue of legitimate public debate.

All this could have been avoided by a 2 second check swab sex test - which an overwhelming majority of female athletes want. So if IK was bullied really it's the IOC IK should sue. For not ensuring the entry criteria for the female category were clear and science based and beyond reproach. It is legitimate to criticize the lack of such tests and the ignoring of safety warnings from several quarters about the physical safety of female boxers. Not hurty feelings, actual risk of serious injury or death. There have already been female athletes who have been disabled for life due to competing against male bodied competitors in the "female" category. It's not hypothetical.

What rule of misogyny is it that a man's hurt feelings matter more than women's lives?

She isn't male.

Michael Phelps has atypical anatomy that gives him natural advantages as a swimmer, do you also think he shouldn't have been allowed to compete or is it just successful women you want to undermine?

Khelif's own coach has admitted that after Khelif failed the chromosome tests, they took him for tests at a top Paris hospital. These showed a problem with Khelif's chromosomes. As a result they have been giving him treatment to reduce his testosterone level.

What other DSD could he possibly have if not 46 XY 5 ARD? It can't be Swyer or CAIS or they wouldn't be reducing his testosterone.

The only logical conclusion is that he has 5 ARD just like Semenya and the two other medal winners in the Rio 800m. There have been quite a few men with this DSD taking medals from women ever since the IOC took the political decision to stop sex testing.

Around 83% of women wanted to keep sex testing. They have been proven right.

So anybody that looks masculine has to show their chromosomes now?

I don't care what people look like or what sports they do but competition has to be fair and safe and there seem to be significant questions over whether Khelif was eligible to compete.

All the women competing in the boxing were breaking down stereotypes and they all deserved to have a fair and safe contest. Instead they found themselves mired in controversy while the IOC made a dogs dinner of it.

I'm not suggesting Khelif should. I was explaining why the IBA has not released the records and pointing out that if Khelif does want to share the information it is entirely in their power, and indeed only their power, to do so. Blaming anyone other than Khelif for the IBA not sharing the evidence is misunderstanding the situation.

And while the (assumed) dangers of having a DSD in Algeria could be a reason IK does not want to release results that confirm he is male, they are not a reason for Khelif to get into a ring and hit women. That was Khelif's choice alone.

And of course, the (assumed) dangers of having a DSD in Algeria would be a good reason to release the results if they prove IK is female.

It seems very odd if IK is sitting on definitive proof that would put all this to sleep, not just prove all those "bullies" wrong but hang them by their own petard on the public stage, and remove once and for all the stain on IK's win, yet is chosing not to use it.

If they're competing in elite sports then yes, obviously. Not if they're working as an accountant or in a shop or doing something that doesn't involve punching other people.

Do we know the woman who was excluded due to IKs inclusion? I bet she was breaking down barriers / stereotypes too, actual female barriers and stereotypes.