JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

'The left'

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Pot, kettle!

Don't you think it's reasonable to be concerned about males boxing women?

Wondering too if Khelif is getting litigious if Mumsnet HQ might not also want to be a bit more careful about the multiple lengthy threads they've hosted full of baseless speculation about her biology and unpleasant personal comments.

I totally agree with jkr about the boxing and them being male etc however the lawsuit is about cyber bullying and I wonder whether it is the tweet that accuses Imane of 'smirking' I think this is the word she uses after hitting the female boxer implying that Imane enjoyed which has overstepped.

This is not correct. No results were upheld. The results haven't been disclosed anywhere, to anyone.

I agree that the only relevant info is what the results were...but if the body that did the testing is refusing to disclose that information, and can't even explain or agree on what tests were carried out...then what?

The IBA got binned off by the IOC for corruption and incompetence. It's cost them millions. They're now trying to cause the IOC as much hassle as possible.

Remember, they were happy for Imane to compete at previous games/worlds, until she beat their Russian fighter.

And to suggest that anyone competing against Imane is unsafe just illustrates a lack of understanding of boxing. She's a pillow-fisted counter-puncher. IIRC, only six stoppages in over 50 fights.

If you want to see unsafe, put her in with Asadkhuja Muydinkhujaev, the man who won gold in the same weigh class.

If people really cared about safety in women's amateur boxing, they'd be complaining about the fact that we still have to wear head guards, when men don't.

Really? Are you saying Imane was forced to compete in the Olympics against female people despite having an unfair advantage and posing a significantly higher risk of injuring opponents than being injured by them? Forced not only to fight women but to take it all the way to a gold medal? Wow! That seems a bit more of an issue than being identfied as a man on Twitter!

Yes, being born with a DSD was outwith Imane's control, but what Imane has chosen to do as an adult is not.

I don’t think you had a point, really. She doesn’t have to stand up for every single cause going, even if she only stands up for one cause she’s still doing a hell of a lot more than most people do.

No one on this forum has the information or the qualifications to say that Khelif is a man. Neither does JKR.

Khelif isn't a male and regardless of whether you think she has a natural advantage (remember at this point we don't KNOW anything about her biology, people confidently diagnosing her with specific DSDs are talking out their arses) you can phrase that without calling her a man - and without personally insulting her by baselessly accusing her of "smirking" when commiserating with her opponent.

Bullshit. Seriously, do some research and get the facts, instead of regurgitating nonsense.

Even IKs own coach has acknowledged publicly that IK has male levels of testosterone and XY chromosomes!

You can't just publish someone's private medical tests!

Of course IK could give the IBA permission to publish them. But IK has not. In fact so far the opposite that lawyers for IK wrote to the IBA refusing permission to release the results.

Why would IK do that if the results showed IK to be female?

Of course Khelif is male with XY chromosomes and male levels of testosterone from internal testicles. Khelif hasn’t even denied it!

This lawsuit is perfect for Trump in the run up to the US elections - attempts to restrict / compel free speech and suffocate attempts to stand up for fairness for women in sport.

I'm sure there's nothing he'd like more than exposure of the left leaning YOU MUST BELIEVE WHAT I SAY NOT WHAT YOU SEE crowd. Especially since Harris is on the side of lying and compelled speech (against the us constitutions first amendment) on this issue.

Elon Musk and Trump are also US Citizens and have the right to free speech and a government who will not extradite US citizens for breaking laws that are not illegal in the US, particularly when it comes to freedom of speech which is a fundamental cornerstone of the US constitution.

@AncientAndModern1

yes she has come out and said, I’m a woman, I was born a woman and raised a woman.

her father did not want her to box because she was a girl.

Because no one is obliged to share their private medical information with the world, and certainly shouldn't have to because a few prominent online billionaires have bullied them into it.

You might also want to be mindful that Algeria is a very conservative country and if Khelif does have a DSD (which again we don't know for sure, outside the word of a disgraced and corrupt Putin-allied IBA official) publishing that information could have unpleasant real world consequences for her back at home.

That still doesn't tell me anything. What makes her a 'pain in the neck' and 'an arrogant bully'?

Those are pretty strong accusations. So you'll need pretty strong examples to back them up.

And those examples should be based on facts not feelings. Obviously.

They can't just release someone's medical information to the media without their consent. How many times does this need to be said?

The IOC should have done their own tests, but chose not to.

I mean if you see it that way that's fine. My point is JK gets a lot of hate for being anti- trans and not pro-women. And a lot of people will say that's not true, she's just standing up for women.
So with that background, I do find it interesting that the two biggest controversies of the games this year were that Imane (who initially was reported as trans, then later as biologically male) was allowed to fight against female athletes and that a man convicted of raping a child was allowed to compete.
JK only commented on one of these issues. I do think that's quite telling.
now certainly people will come out and say she isn't required to comment on anything at all. That is correct - however she has put herself in that platform of speaking out for women. She set that expectation herself by being so vocal, she very much wanted to be a women's rights figure head. Therefore there is more expectation on her to make a comment on this rather than the average person. So it is strange she chose not to go after the man who is known to have actually raped a child, and rather to go after Imane who's crime is that they might be male (and I say might because the test results have not been released so we cannot say with 100% accuracy)
there is a lot of nuance to the situation and the comparison I'm making, so I think the blanket defence of she doesn't have to say anything etc etc is a bit disingenuous as it oversimplifies the situation

Yes, I also imagine Beira’s Place, the charity for women and girls impacted by sexual violence, and founded by her, might also take quite a bit of her time. Or perhaps Lumos, her NGO to end institutionalization of children.

I'm so sick of all these posters making pronouncements like this like you're her doctor. You have zero idea what Khelif's internal or external biology is, you're purely spreading lies and misinformation and to be honest it's disgusting.

Do the posters who believe that Lin and Khelif are female also still believe that caster semenya is female?

If that is true then I have every sympathy for Khelif but it would probably have been more judicious to stay under the radar rather than go to the Olympics and have the whole world speculating about her sex.

Remember, they were happy for Imane to compete at previous games/worlds, until she beat their Russian fighter.

This isn't true.

The fact IK has high levels of testosterone could have 'unpleasant real world consequences' for any biological woman who ends up in the ring with them.