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JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 14:42

Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

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heathspeedwell · 17/08/2024 15:54

W1nnweD1nner · 17/08/2024 15:52

So anybody that looks masculine has to show their chromosomes now?

ALL of the female boxers could be argued to 'look masculine'. This is not about beauty standards, it's about the fact that someone who has been through male puberty is extremely dangerous to women in the boxing ring.

kittybiscuits · 17/08/2024 15:54

Quitelikeit · 17/08/2024 15:09

People on here are being ridiculous. She has a vagina and to all intents and purposes is a woman. She was born one and raised as one and believes herself to be one.

She is being persecuted for something that is outwith her control

You have no understanding of basic biology and you accuse those who do of being ridiculous.

spannasaurus · 17/08/2024 15:55

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He's not a trans identified man he's man with a dsd who is highly likely to have been mistaken for a girl at birth.
His sexuality is completely irrelevant

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 15:55

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Uh no. She isn't trans and even her detractors aren't trying to claim she is.

SiobhanSharpe · 17/08/2024 15:56

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 15:29

Wondering too if Khelif is getting litigious if Mumsnet HQ might not also want to be a bit more careful about the multiple lengthy threads they've hosted full of baseless speculation about her biology and unpleasant personal comments.

Truth is a complete defence against charges of defamation -- so again Khelif would have to prove, or show proof of, his or her sex in court to win a case against anyone who has wrongfully and deliberately missexed them, if that is what the lawsuit is about.
They could have challenged the IBC findings and subsequent ban but have declined do so. Because it would involve further testing and hence end their boxing career.
And I don't see how it could be bullying when what was said about Khelif is in fact shown to be the truth? Including saying if he is a man Khleif should not have been boxing against women and has deprived women of Olympic medals.
I see Khelif's trainer has now said there are 'problems' regarding Khelif's both chromosomes and testosterone levels.

user30 · 17/08/2024 15:56

She's on her hols in Canada by the looks of it :)

OuterSpaceCadet · 17/08/2024 15:56

"You aren't asking for your rights nicely enough to deserve them" is such a tired MRA / TRA trope.

W1nnweD1nner · 17/08/2024 15:56

heathspeedwell · 17/08/2024 15:54

ALL of the female boxers could be argued to 'look masculine'. This is not about beauty standards, it's about the fact that someone who has been through male puberty is extremely dangerous to women in the boxing ring.

But how can somebody go through male puberty with female genitals?

The witch hunt and yes cyber bullying re this is just awful.

Viviennemary · 17/08/2024 15:57

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/08/2024 15:39

That still doesn't tell me anything. What makes her a 'pain in the neck' and 'an arrogant bully'?

Those are pretty strong accusations. So you'll need pretty strong examples to back them up.

And those examples should be based on facts not feelings. Obviously.

Is that a threat.

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DefyingGravitas · 17/08/2024 15:58

Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 15:50

I'm speaking specifically around JK's comments during the Olympics, it isn't a thread dedicated to her whole life. I also don't think I've said anything that is unfairly negative - she didn't comment on the child rapist - that isn't a negative statement that's just a fact.

Clearly not based on her whole life, you’ve missed out her charities and NGO. We could check though to see which other violent men she hasn’t mentioned and hold that against her in the interest of neutrality 😊

FOJN · 17/08/2024 15:58

Ramblomatic · 17/08/2024 15:02

The IBA is a disgraced organisation, stripped of it's right to commission Olympic boxing over corruption and procedural issues.

It only went after Imane when she beat a Russian athlete (IBA is Russian-ran). Changed it's procedures, and has repeated refused to provide the results of the test it claims she's failed, or even confirm what the tests were.

They held a press conference during the games that was an absolute disaster, where their medical expert and their director couldn't even agree on what has happened.

The tests were conducted at two accredited labs. The IOC were sent the test results and lied about receiving them.

The IOC have been clear that the sex marker on official documents is all that's required to meet eligibility criteria for competing in the female category, they have stated this is in the interests of inclusion.

Lin is from Taiwan so Khelif beating a Russian boxer does not stand up to scrutiny.

The more I read about it the more it's seems that the IOC are the problem, not the IBA.

The IOC had to issue a correction when they completely messed up a press statement intending to clarify things.

heathspeedwell · 17/08/2024 15:59

Erik Schinegger has the same DSD as Khelif. When he found out he was male he gave his gold medals to the women who should have won them. Then he had an operation to descend his testicles and he naturally became a father.

Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 15:59

InvisibleBuffy · 17/08/2024 15:50

She does take breaks from twitter, often when she's working on a new book and during holidays so this doesn't seem like anything at all.
As for the comments about her tweeting about boxing and not the child rapist (and I've got no clue if she did or not) as some kind of gotcha, she has put her money where her mouth is in creating and funding Beira's Place. She's providing practical help and support for female victims of male violence out of her own pocket. That's worth more than any amount of tweeting.
I think its staggeringly unlikely that her not tweeting for a few days has anything to do with IK.
It does, however, however seem likely that OP is just stirring.

I don't consider it stirring, it's debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and it's interesting to hear those other opinions and discuss them

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RVEllacott · 17/08/2024 15:59

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 15:51

She isn't male.

Michael Phelps has atypical anatomy that gives him natural advantages as a swimmer, do you also think he shouldn't have been allowed to compete or is it just successful women you want to undermine?

But sports categories aren't based on "typical bodies" and "atypical bodies" it's based on male and female (and in some sports weight). Therefore we need to know whether someone is male or if they're female so the can compete in the correct category.

Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 16:00

DefyingGravitas · 17/08/2024 15:58

Clearly not based on her whole life, you’ve missed out her charities and NGO. We could check though to see which other violent men she hasn’t mentioned and hold that against her in the interest of neutrality 😊

See my prev comment about the "jk isn't able to talk about every violent man" argument

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AInightingale · 17/08/2024 16:00

Surely in most legal actions, you have to disclose your medical records to the defence, esp if it's a medical condition that's being disputed?

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:00

kittybiscuits · 17/08/2024 15:54

You have no understanding of basic biology and you accuse those who do of being ridiculous.

It's interesting how so much time has been spent hooting with derision at politicians for talking about women with penises and men with vaginas - but now all of a sudden a man can have a vagina, just because you've found a particular individual you want to attack?

This isn't about "basic biology " when you can't even keep to your own rules - this is just about prejudice. The fact is if Khelif does have a DSD, that means her and individuals like her disprove the foundation of your argument that sex is simple and binary, and you can't have that so you have to attack her.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 17/08/2024 16:00

I think it's far more bullying to punch people you know you have a huge physical advantage over than questioning whether the IOC criteria for entry to the female category are risking women's safety and lives and citing obvious unfair competitors (banned from other competitions for failing sex tests)

It's like if I decided to go and punch 8 year olds because there was an error on my birth certificate saying I was born in 2016 not 1986. I met the entry criteria!

izimbra · 17/08/2024 16:00

Where did you see her genitals?

DefyingGravitas · 17/08/2024 16:00

W1nnweD1nner · 17/08/2024 15:52

So anybody that looks masculine has to show their chromosomes now?

Or, a cheek swab for athletes competing in the women’s Olympics? But maybe we wouldn’t do that because it would only benefit actual women, and nobody wants to do that right? No need to do it in the men’s categories, though, because we don’t seem to have women trying to compete in those? I wonder why? Hmm.

23Shadows · 17/08/2024 16:02

Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 15:16

I agree, and this is what I'm wondering if perhaps this time she has bitten of more than she can chew

Nah I doubt it, she'd probably relish a day in court over this. She tried to goad the police in Scotland into arresting her on the day the hate crime act came in. She crippled that act on day one. She's spoiling for a fight on these issues.

StealthSpinach · 17/08/2024 16:02

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No - this is incorrect.

IK is NOT transgender.
This case has nothing to do with being transgender at all.
IK was wrongly “assigned” female at birth, due to misidentification of non-typical genitalia. ie. Differences of Sexual Development (DSD).
If chromosome tests were able to have been conducted at that time, it would have been revealed then that IK was male (XY).
When IK was 17, IK was approached when playing football with boys and offered a chance to box.
IK has failed 2 chromosome tests (revealing XY chromosomes when female type is XX).
IK and team knew this before the Olympics, but due to the IOC not giving a shit about female sports, IK was able to compete in the female category despite having male advantage (including a punch over 162% more powerful than a female).

This is about women’s/female sports, safety and rights, and has nothing to do with transgenderism.

W1nnweD1nner · 17/08/2024 16:02

DefyingGravitas · 17/08/2024 16:00

Or, a cheek swab for athletes competing in the women’s Olympics? But maybe we wouldn’t do that because it would only benefit actual women, and nobody wants to do that right? No need to do it in the men’s categories, though, because we don’t seem to have women trying to compete in those? I wonder why? Hmm.

I think you’re on very dangerous ground when you start persecuting people for how they look.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 17/08/2024 16:02

DefyingGravitas · 17/08/2024 16:00

Or, a cheek swab for athletes competing in the women’s Olympics? But maybe we wouldn’t do that because it would only benefit actual women, and nobody wants to do that right? No need to do it in the men’s categories, though, because we don’t seem to have women trying to compete in those? I wonder why? Hmm.

The vast majority of women athletes want EVERYONE wanting to enter the female category to have sex tests.

Nice and fair. Applies to all.

If the ioc had done that there would have been no commentary about IK. Their failure to do so meant there was.

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