JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

Gender is the process of recognising/ knowing/ giving meaning to one’s sex

By making people adhere to a belief that they do not believe in.

Ok the conversation is back in the gutter and I’m off for a walk. 👋

except that doesn't define anything.
What is gender?
How does it "give meaning to one's sex"?
and then we are back what is "sex"?

the hyperbole is never ending around discussing 'gender'.

This is just word salad.

Apart from anything else, it would mean gender is synonymous with sex (and therefore redundant as a concept) and a trans woman would be a man.

A load of wanky old shite then.

I thought as much.

I'm not making them adhere to anything.

Since I believe transwomen are women and transmen men I might use it.

It cropped up in conversation with a friend the other week as her son is dating biological woman who has adopted a male name and does not identify as a woman. Her husband is struggling with it.

gender is how you know what sex you are.

Your physical body is how you know what sex you are

It's offensive because the belief in mental gender identities is the belief that there is a set mental attributes and/or social preferences that go with being a man or a woman.

When you label a woman "cis" you are asserting she has those mental attributes/preferences.

To someone who believes a man is just someone with a male body, and a woman is just someone with a female body, this assignment and gatekeeping of personalities into different genders is just weird (and yes, offensive). Why does anyone want to sign up to something so regressive, limiting and sexist?

The only way it is not sexist is if you try and claim that the gender identity of one woman has nothing in common with the gender idetify of another woman, in which case the whole concept of "identifying as a woman" is meaningless anyway, and certainly does not justify the demands trans woman make off the back of it.

How?
In order to know this you must be able to define what gender is.
For it to have any meaning it must be a description of quantifiable nature.
What metrics are you using?

"gender is how you know what sex you are."

How does the logic behind this statement work?

I know I am female because my body is female. I have only some things in common with other female people, based on the issues of having that body and how I am treated by society for having that body.

Nothing else is relevant for my 'sex'. I don't have a 'gender' category because I reckon there must be as many genders as there are people who have lived and are living and will live in the world.

Making it another meaningless term based on philosophical belief.

And can YOU stop referring to women as cis? Many of us have said several times now that - it doesn't matter how you define it - WE find the term offensive. So can you please stop!

Insisting on still using terminology that people have told you they find offensive is also tantamount to the 'bullying' you abhor so much. Or does only one type of bullying matter to you?

Totally mind boggling how you will fight tooth and nail for everyone EXCEPT 100% biological women. Thanks for that. 🤷‍♀️

Trans women are male and they know they are male.

So how are they different from men?

I'm not debating that with you; we'll have to agree to differ.

No, I don’t actually because I don’t think people do .

I am not denying other peoples experience, but by the same token I am also not denying my own experience. Mammalian animals are binary, and while people are free to assign themselves personal identities as their gender it is not wrong to accept that our human bodies fulfil the needs of the species rather than that of the individual.

Seriously... are you OK? You're beginning to sound like you're part of a cult...

Stand a naked man and a naked transgender woman side by side. What differentiates them?

Not sure why you wouldn't want to 'debate' such a simple question.

Person A has long hair, always wears makeup, likes pretty dresses and their hobbies are knitting and sewing.
Person B has cropped hair, never wears makeup, wears jeans and t shirts and their hobbies are car racing and football.

Do you know which sex A and B are from these "gendered" descriptions?

What if I said A has XY chromosomes, a penis and testes and B has XX chromosomes, breasts and ovaries.
Does that make it easier to identify the sex of A and B?

That is a completely meaningless statement. I don’t need anything to recognise my sex apart from my body and I don’t need to ‘give meaning’ to my sex. What meaning? It’s word salad. Btw what feminists and most sane people object to is the nonsense that ‘gender’ is ‘assigned at birth’. In the vast, vast majority of cases sex is simply observed at birth, bar in a minuscule % of people who are born with genetic conditions that affect foetal development . Absolutely nobody has a ‘gender’ assigned at birth.

No male can ever experience life as a woman. They can only ever experience life as a male person who believes they are a woman.

Even when they 'act' like a woman, they are acting as they believe a 'woman' should act. Which is fucking misogynistic!

Even if they are treated 'as a woman' by some people, they are being treated as a 'male who presents as a woman and believes they are a woman'. Because their every reaction is based on that. Not on them being female in any way.

The only way a person can experience life as a woman, is to have a female body, formed around the production of large gametes, even if it doesn't produce those and to navigate their life based on the decisions they and society makes that revolve around them having that body.

A male can conceptualise what it might be like to be a female, but that is all it ever is. They may do it because they don't feel they fit into how they conceptualise how a male person interacts with the world (ie. their own stereotypes around being male) or they do it because they want to be seen as a female (using their own stereotypes of how a female navigates life).

How can the material reality be any different? This is why someone's gender is only based on someone's philosophical belief. And philosophical beliefs are fine for people to hold, but not one person in the UK has to comply with another's philosophical belief.

You can choose to disagree that the earth is spherical if you like.

No wonder you're not willing to debate your position, it's utter nonsense.

How does one determine one's 'gender identity'? I've literally never seen a clear definition of what this means. So without a clear definition it's a totally useless signifier.

Wait…

so lets pretend i agree with this gender stuff for a minute

so i was a woman

then some men started to say they were women so the term transwoman was used

fair enough

then some people decided i couldn’t be a woman anymore I had to be a cis woman

ok

so make sure as a female woman that i wasnt confused with a male woman i had to use the term cis, so female woman= cis woman, male woman= transwomen

ok got it

so now some males ned to be referred to as women and the term cis is being used to describe them

so males = transwomen
males can also = cis woman

so there is no phrase at all i can use to say i am a woman as cis is also ‘taken’ for males

awesome…makes no fucking sense

when i was back in the ‘lets keep female and men can use women’ phase Someone said that soon the word female would be taken too…and so it came to pass…and now some transwomen and men are using cis