TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

[Citylightsarebright]

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

I can assure you choking these dogs doesn’t work. When my dog was attacked the thing was in full attack mode, grabbing a collar also doesn’t work. Believe me we tried. The thing was walloped with fence posts in the ribs, booted in the balls, had its back legs grabbed and still it never let go of my dog. It was eventually dragged to a river with my dog still in its jaws. I won’t go into details but it never survived. Edited at this part to say no I’m not sorry how it died nor do DH or I feel one shred of guilt as we were both involved.

These things are machines and once they attack they don’t stop. Please don’t minimise how powerful or aggressive they are. My DH is 18 stone of muscle and he couldn’t get the thing off. I live every day with the trauma of that attack, I have terrible flashbacks and dreams about it. My DH has the scars on his arms and legs from it. People say “oh they’re not all like that” Personally, after what I witnessed I wouldn’t trust an XL bully as far as I could spit it and I find it difficult to know that people keep these things who have children.

The owner of the dog was wild camping and gave a false address to the police. The reg of the van they were driving shows it was scrapped 2 weeks after the attack.

I have witnessed so many of these things not muzzled where we live, so many people bring them to visit our area and think because we’re very rural they can allow them to run free. I am not ashamed to admit that every single one I see unmuzzled is reported to the police.

My dog that was killed was my lifeline, he made my life easier, I could venture out with him, he gave me independence, he was my ears because I’m deaf.

Am I bitter? Definitely. Is my opinion of these dogs skewed? Probably. However, I think I have a good reason for my opinions on these abominations of dogs.

children who live in homes with violent men may (rightly) be removed from that home. This should also be the case if they are forced to live with a dangerous dog eg XL Bully.

Awful story. Sorry you went through that.
always makes me laugh when people say “choke it” “twist it’s collar” etc etc

I’ve seen a video of one of these animals being shot multiple times by armed police and the fucker still didn’t stop

I’ve also seen one where a dog was shot in the head. It fell to the ground and “died” only for it to suddenly wake up, stumble back to its feet and carry on attacking as if nothing had happened. The gun shot to head had simply stunned it for a few seconds.

nobody is going to choke one of these animals out.

@HettieBettyBoo I am so so sorry to hear of your utterly horrific experience and you are completely right in your opinion. I can’t imagine how awful that day was.
@FuriosFancyShirt I was only trying to offer some advice as stated by dog trainers and it might be useful if a smaller - ie average sized - dog attacks yours.
Ultimately there is a lot of evidence to show that the XL have a genetic trait which makes them unstable and their size (and rage) make them unstoppable.
Im not convinced a muzzle would prevent them seriously harming a child or dog.

Unfortunately you are right, probably the best option if you are attacked is to offer it your throat in order to get it over with quickly ☹️
Our best hope is that those which are in existence will soon attack and kill their owners and are then destroyed ☹️
A little while back I saw a video where a black and white XL bully (which reminded me of a killer whale) had a smaller dog in its jaws, the small dog was screaming. A woman who appeared to be the owner of the XL bully got behind it pulled up on its lead the animal lost consciousness and let go.
I searched on YouTube for this video, numerous other videos of these dogs attacking people came up. I couldn't face scrolling through it all so I didn't find the one I was looking for☹️

The people who haven't seen these dogs attack are blissful in their ignorance of what an XL Bully attack looks like... There is no stopping them, and if you try you risk being mauled or killed yourself. You may be able to choke it but I definitely wouldn't have wanted to try. I'm not sure I would have been strong enough either.

Yes other dogs attack, and dog-on-dog attacks happen, and cats are killed by dogs all the time. The difference is when the animal being attacked is injured or killed, the attacking dog stops. They have inhibition. In the vast majority of cases, it's a bite to the jugular and they stop. XL Bully attacks are completely different. They just don't stop attacking, even if the animal or person is clearly no longer able to fight back. They literally tear whatever they are attacking to shreds. And often they are unprovoked.

I am a dog lover, but I am terrified of them. The attack I saw by an XL Bully where it literally tore the neighbours cat to shreds in the street has traumatised me. And that dog lives with three small children. The police took the attack very seriously, because they understand how dangerous these dogs are, and we now know the dog has attacked and killed another dog being walked by its owner in the street, completely unprovoked.

It is terrifying.

That’s awful! But if the police took the attack on the cat seriously, why was the dog then able to go on and kill another dog??

Well we reported the attack on the cat to the police at the time (it was a good few months before the ban on XL bullies was announced), in all honesty I didn't think the police would care about it, but they were great. I think they could tell how awful and not normal it felt. Unfortunately there wasn't much they could do at that time though because we didn't know where the owners lived or much info about them other than having seen them walking around (we lived on a large housing estate). The police came out and interviewed us and did seem to take it seriously, saying that they would investigate, i.e. not fob us off with "dogs will be dogs", but they didn't have much to go off.

There was another incident where Police were doing patrols and telling anyone walking their dogs in the area to go home right away immediately afterwards as the dog had got loose, which matched the same description as the XL Bully. It was very dramatic and scary. Then I heard from another neighbour a month or two later that there had been another attack by the same dog, and it had killed another dog. People were terrified to walk their dogs. I don't know about the fate of the XL Bully after that second attack, and we've now moved away - Thank goodness!

Devil dogs should be banned outright and eventually, all dogs.

Why all dogs? What about fluffy companion dogs that are bred responsibly without aggression or health issues?

I do understand why you feel so badly about dogs @OonaStubbs but I feel personally that only dangerous dogs should be banned (And yes decisions would still need to be made about what constitutes a dangerous dog) and there should be more restrictions on the keeping of other types of dog.

My dog was my lifeline and allowed me to have my independence again. Many assistance dogs allow their owners to live a semi normal life. I could make a huge post on this but I’m not going to bother as people like you and the ‘ban all dogs’ mentality are uneducated as far as I’m concerned. We also have mountain rescue dogs, would you ban them too? Working collies, we have them as well.

While I completely understand people who don’t like dogs, please understand many dogs are trained to help humans. Two of our dogs have so far saved 238 lives finding people on mountains. So yeah, let’s ban them all.

I can absolutely understand how utterly traumatised you are after having your beautiful dog slaughtered by one of these deranged fighting breeds.
My friend’s children were attacked by an English Bull Terrier ( it’s owner was banned from keeping dogs at the time ( Dog fighting)
even now, almost 15 yrs later she scans the horizon for this type of dog, and she was traumatised for years after, seeing her children being attacked.

Her children bear scars still.
It came barrelling out of a park
zero collar, and leapt on the buggy.
she said it was like grappling with a pig, nothing to her hold of.
EBT’s are small compared to XLB’s

It’s owner came running, thrashing the dog with a heavy chain.

There was footage of a Welsh Farmer who had two of these deranged XLB’s in with his sheep

The roaring of one when it was him was actually evil sounding.
A shotgun put paid to those, thank goodness.

It’s awful that some idiots choice of dog can impact so badly on innocent people and their children and pets.

Agree- there is a world of difference between a sweet natured well trained dog of good temperament and one of these hugely inbred monsters.

Well trained dogs are well socialised and completely unobtrusive.
I hope you can eventually trust enough to find another companion after such a shocking loss.

I think I’ve spoken to you before on another thread about this 🥰. Thank you for your lovely messages, they made me feel not so alone when it all initially happened.

If there was no dogs some other animal would fill their role as companion animals.

Your friend has a service dog for her diabetes as a dog is really the only domesticated animal that can smell the changes in her blood sugar and get her emergency medical pack before she starts having sudden serious onset symptoms. She's also a massive comfort and companion to my friend.

I also know blind people with assistance dogs who place their faith in their animals every day for safety and companionship and love.

I also know people who don't have registered service dogs but their dogs provide a service to them by giving them a purpose to get up and move and leave the house and confide in and stave off loneliness, and it truly is life saving.

I know autistic children who cannot speak and find eye contact unbearable find connection and the ability to regulate by having a dog companion.

You might not like dogs, but they perform a lot of good in a human society, so I think you need to address your hatred of these really amazing animals with a professional. It's normal to feel strongly about some things, this probably is irrational though.

And another

I'm not a dog person as such but it's clear that there are dogs and then there are these dreadful animals. I have no problem having a chat and a pat/cuddle (with the owner's permission, of course) with a passing spaniel, poodle, dachshund, boxer, settler or mongrel of good character. Or even (with caution) a good-tempered doberman or alsatian. I have come across a number of reactive dogs and dogs best treated with a large degree of caution (and of course all large dogs can be very dangerous), but what seems to set these animals apart is their inherent aggression combined with the serious injuries which they are capable of inflicting. So many of these dogs seem to have absolute hair triggers or need no provocation to attack, and of course the consequences are often tragic.

@HettieBettyBoo I’m so sorry you’ve been through this, I would be bitter too. My dog is also my lifeline (in my case in coping with long term illness). This time of year we see XLs, unmuzzled and entire. I won’t go to certain places in summer with my (very well behaved and happy dog), because I know that grown men can’t fight these beasts off, so I have no chance at protecting my dog.
They are the Orcs of the dog world, there’s no way for them to be safe around people and animals.

But they’re not just companions as has been pointed out to you.
Dogs have lived in service for humans for hundreds and hundreds of years. Companionship is a relatively new positive we get from them but they have literally saved lives in this role too.
Idiot owners and greedy irresponsible breeders are the problem here. Pretty much always the humans that are the problem.

I agree. The only net perceived benefits are for the owner, for the rest of society only net negatives. This makes dogs antisocial like smoking, loud music or modified cars. In terms of banning, I’d ban anything a toddler couldn’t beat in a fight.

I think the benefits for owners are real and shouldn't be discounted. I've seen our neighbour - a single lady living alone and I suspect somewhat isolated previously - transformed since getting a dog. She's out walking it most days, quite often with a friend who I suspect she met dog-walking, and appears much happier and healthier. I'm quite jealous! And of course there is a societal benefit in terms of individuals been healthier and less isolated.

But yes, her dog is a medium-sized fluffy creature that would only really be a threat to someone with bad asthma.

I'm gonna vote for capybaras....

Yes, I recognised your awful story. It has stayed with me as your description was so agonising.
I dread seeing the hippopotamus dogs on walks - almost always with feeble owners.