TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

[Citylightsarebright]

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

I think some people probably grew up surrounded by many others who feel those dogs are safe and so they grew up believing that too. It was normalised to have whatever was the strongest most intimidating breed.

But I do feel there’s a lot of them that know fine well the dog is very dangerous, but the issue is they are smug in the belief that others are at risk - which they don’t care about as much - and they believe it won’t turn on them.

I do still feel very sad for owners when dogs kill them, it’s a horrid way to die, aside from the pain it must be soul destroying to see your pet turn like this, as you lie there dying.

Of course rather them than an innocent man woman or child going about their business. People like this not only signed themselves up to the risk, but also signed up their neighbours/the public to the risk of their dogs.

It’s unpleasant to think of when I read these cases I can’t help thinking if the dog hadn’t turned on its owner, it could later have killed someone else :/

It was an awful way to die, no doubt. She was a full on pit apologist though, and risked the rest of us through her choices. I am glad it was her and not some innocent passer-by.
Of course she lacked intelligence, and I agree with you that that is why we need a total ban on these breeds, and not trust our fellow humans to make good choices.

I saw one last week sitting at the front door of someone's house, if it wanted to it could have got out , it's because they are so powerful and mostly belong to a certain type of person that these attacks happen.
Some people should not be allowed to have dogs full stop, whatever it does is the owner's responsibility and tbey should have their dog pts , fined and banned from keeping dogs, do they realise how traumatic an attack on your dog/ child etc is.
Something needs to change now to stop this it's far too common these days , I e also seen them unmuzzled as some owners just don't care about time or anything else , so sad for that poor dog and the owner.

Not rtft but if ever a dog attacks your dog or a person try and grab its collar and twist it as hard as you can. The dog will let go in order to breathe. If no collar try and use your lead or a belt to choke it.
I really hope you are never in this situation but we know it does happen.

You're right I hadn't thought it through properly, even so a civilized society shouldn't allow people to keep dangerous animals as pets.
We can't rely on people having good judgment or being good owners because so many people have their rose tinted spectacles glued to their faces when it comes to dogs.
And no matter how good of an owner you are you will not be able to restrain your dog if it tries to attack, it's too powerful even for a fully grown adult man to restrain. Ergo it can never be a pet. A pet, by definition, is submissive and under the control of its owner.

I have heard that saying and where you have a yappy little dog who could be trained not to bite peoples ankles and not to bark all the time which could be put down to bad ownership, this is nothing like it. There is no training any owner could do to prevent these dogs from doing what they have been doing and it's pure arrogance of any owner who has one of these dogs that say "oh my dog is so soft and I'm a brilliant owner" human stupidity at its finest

And as my post demonstrates, those 99%+ of owners you mention are absolutely correct. Their dogs have not, do not and never will hurt anyone. They aren't pretending anything.

As the stats show, the breed is not inherently aggressive. You're just not paying attention because you are determined that the problem is with the dogs and decline to hear anything else. I'm not surprised, people don't like to admit they are wrong.

I'm not an XL Bully owner, so I have zero skin in this game, and if you read to the end of my post, you'll see you are making the same conclusion I did - some people cannot be trusted to be responsible dog owners of large and powerful dogs, which is why the ban was unfortunate but the correct thing to do. However, there's no need for people to label the breed as inherently aggressive when they clearly aren't.

Oh goodness the Reddit Pitbull/XLB site is so relentlessly depressing.
Horrific injuries.
I went on it after my XLB incident
One blurred pic was called NSFL

I had no idea what that acronym meant and clicked
and almost vomited

A poor man had had his face torn off but was still alive.
He was an innocent passer by attacked by these vile dogs.

The poor man died , unsurprisingly.

There are endless incidents of children maimed by escaped Pits / XLB’s

They aren’t like other dogs

They have even partially consumed their owners.

The owners I feel less sorry for as they had the ignorance to take one or more on with jaw jutting arrogance, and reaped the consequences of their Ill- considered choices.

Yes, this seems to be the only way according to sites that advise against XLB / Pit attacks

cutting off airway is only way, but far harder to do in reality.
There are videos online about how to do it.

In USA they can at least use firearms in legal
states- But the XLB who killed Mia Derouen (?) took about 11 rounds by police to get it to release Mia’s body

This dog was supposedly a child lover, and was “ Mia’s dog” according to the male owner.

The dog just flipped - The mother said it crashed through the bedroom door to get to the little girl.

Hardened Cops needed counselling afterwards.

Whilst I agree with that you can’t solve that problem
so it’s better the dogs pay the price for that by being euthanised than the people dogs kill

What makes me cross is that I know two women with small children who own XL Bullies. Neither of them knew about Killer Kimbo and the inbreeding that started up the breed, and the sudden rage gene these "big softies" carry. What I don't understand is, unregistered ownership of Pit Bulls had always been illegal in this country before the XL Bully and Pocket Bull Pit Bull crosses were allowed to spread through the country. Breeders made a fortune and are very much a type (white Range Rovers, designer tracksuits and chunky gold chains), whilst charging anything from £7K+ for their pups, impregnating the bitches artificially with 3 lots of seman to ensure highest yield possible.

What boggles my head is people still maintain that this is an owner thing with the XLs. It isn't, there's a massive problem with one bloodline that makes up the majority of these dogs in the UK and the more they're bred, the more dogs with this one bloodline.

https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

They can't stay sane, no matter how they're raised and since these dogs are so powerful. It's not like dealing with a fucking little rat thing people keep in handbags.

Those who can't get it through their heads are part of the problem.

Oh my God

No amount of training can totally get rid of the genetic impulses to attack and attack to the death.

Of course banning works, you can’t count how many dog attacks were prevented by pit bulls as it doesn’t appear in figures.
And the reason dog bites are now up is because the breeders have circumnavigated the rules by breeding XL bullies which have pit in them.

I’m more inclined to listen to the opinion of David Sargan, the chief geneticist at Cambridge Veterinary School.

I’m paraphrasing, but he says it’s strange that people believe that genetics around physical attributes can be bred into dogs, but with this breed some people don’t apply the same genetic principle that behavioural genetics can also be passed on.

Okay, here's a statistic:
"Between 2021 and 2023, around half of fatal dog attacks were caused by a single breed, the American Bully XL"

Given that Bully's don't make up anything even close to half the population of even large dogs, how do you explain this, other than that they are more aggressive than other breeds?

That's not what the statistic says, it is referencing fatal attacks. It's not taking into account non-fatal attacks, of which there are many more and most likely spread across a huge range of breeds. You can't conclude XL Bullies are more aggressive than other breeds because that's not the data here. You CAN conclude that XL Bully attacks are more likely to be fatal compared to attacks by other dog breeds, which is not something I disupte.

Again, I am in no way arguing that the ban is not sensible and the dogs cannot be dangerous - some clearly can (also true for most other breeds). I am stating that more than 99% of the dogs themselves are not inherently dangerous or aggressive and it's unfortunate to see people buying into an alternative narrative.

I believe she means the more responsible of the irresponsible.The even more irresponsible will not have their dog pts even after it has attacked.

@rainfordays

A PP has already linked to Bullywatch and I urge you to read what it says there about the inbreeding of the UK XLB population, so many descending and interbreeding from a particularly ferocious individula called Killer Kimbo.

Here's an LBC article about the same issue.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/killer-kimbo-xl-bully-half-of-uk-pets-descended-one-us-dog/

No way are 99% of these dogs temperamentally safe.

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@oakleaffy i hadn’t heard about poor Mia, what a horrific way to die and to see your child suffer.
It’s not clear why the dog turned but it need only be an excited squeal from a child for prey drive to kick in.
whilst I’ve met some lovely, calm bullies, I would never ever own one and I have a staffie and a German shepherd

It is an interesting discussion. There are now more pitbulls in the UK than there were before they were banned. Since part of the ban included them all being neutered, and no breeding being allowed, it is hard to fathom how this is possible as none of those alive at the time the ban was introduced will have lived this long.

Reported incidents of pitbull attacks have indeed reduced though, so it is a conundrum.

If you choke the dog it will let go because the lack of blood flow to it's brain causes it to lose consciousness.
Dont stop choking it when it loses consciousness, if you do it will spring back to life & carry on attacking.
You'll probably have to get behind the dog and pull up hard using it's weight to crush/block it's windpipe, risky and you'll need to be pretty strong, but better than being mauled to death🙁