I guess the rioters have booked time off work?

[SunQueen24]

Just strikes me that they’re all available during the working week and yet they somehow think they’re the backbone of society.

If I had to chose who I wanted to eradicate from society it would be exactly these cretins. Fit and healthy enough to riot, fight and terrorise police officers who all have families to get back to but not fit enough to be occupied with any economic activity during the day.

Ooh, a ‘lazy girl’ job?

Yeah, lucky me

Illegal migrants could be an American who overstayed her tourist visa who’s living with her boyfriend. Or, the countless labourers working on site for cash, or the carer who came here on a student visa for a course they knew never existed, the ones that overstay their work visa, the ones that obtained fake qualifications/documents to come via legit routes then disappeared, sham marriages, borrowing your cousin’s passport, those who get their mates to smuggle them in via the car boot as they’ve already been deported once, human trafficked nail salon workers/car wash/sex workers/slavery….

Theres varied reasons to how people are here illegally. Asylum seekers only make up a small percentage of the overall immigration numbers. Some migrants who are refugees bipass the whole system as they already have a network here but also not everyone arriving here on a small boat/back of a lorry are from war torn countries/needing asylum.

I think we have a problem with lumping all immigration together. There’s a huge difference between legal and illegal migration. There’s a huge jump between say a Syrian refugee who is waiting to be processed to then bring their family over verses the Albanian man who’s working as cash-in-hand delivery driver who came here for pure economic reasons to send money back to his wife - he’s also driving without insurance or a licence it’s impossible to get if you’re here illegally…. Turkish Barbers.. is being a Barber a skilled profession to get a work visa?

If you’re a qualified doctor why would you pay thousands to be smuggled into the country when you can arrive via Heathrow on a skilled visa and start work the following day?

Factories close down for a couple of weeks in summer and usually at Christmas too. I used to work in a furniture making factory, my town has lots of them, it's common in these industries. Makes it easier to manage demand as a lot of people want time off in summer with the kids and there's a lack of skilled workers like upholsterers nowadays to do the work.

All those policing and court costs will ultimately be paid for by us all.

Plus enormous prison costs.

It also made the cost of going on holiday astronomical in those weeks and stopped you having time off as and when. What a nuisance it was!

Most of the people I know who spout these views have jobs. Tradies and drivers all sorts. ( Sometimes with a sideline in dealing)That's usually the perspective that they come from, I work hard blah blah, killing our kids blah blah , they live in communities where that's the narrative too, easy to think everyone else thinks like they do. They've been brought up like it, to look at them they are successful, some of them very successful. I don't think the joblessness really fits tbh. Although some will be. It's easy to take time off when you're the boss of a company.

We used to get 10 days that we could choose ourselves but yeah most of the annual leave was pre allocated! I did like having Christmas off though, finish on Dec 23rd and go back 2nd Jan.

Yes a Christmas shutdown is great. But having to pay through the nose for a caravan in Barmouth, not so good. Happy days!

An item on ch4 news on this yesterday said that foreign intervention on social media is being looked at and it is possible that paramilitaries are involved in the very organised rioting going on. So not 'protesting' but maybe war at an insidious level (my words).

@chaosmaker

it is possible that paramilitaries are involved in the very organised rioting going on.

Which group were these paramilitaries supposed to belong to?

It didn't say but you can watch it yourself on all 4. Russia was mentioned and the twit musk has beem inflaming the situation. Lies are also rife on various platforms about '2 tier policing'.
It isn't hard to make it worse as the rioters are in a violent echo chamber and will believe any rubbish that chimes with their views/provides a reason for these offences. In their heads anyway.

jenrick hasn't helped either.

If you’re a qualified doctor why would you pay thousands to be smuggled into the country when you can arrive via Heathrow on a skilled visa and start work the following day?

Depends on where you have come from, but if you are in a war zone you may have lost your documents, and you probably don’t have a stable internet connection for applications and Teams interviews.

Your qualification may not be recognised by the GMC, and you may need to take English exams and the PLAB, which is a GMC exam for medical English and communication skills. You then need GMC registration, which costs £450 per year.

Then you have to find a job…

@Expatfamily
I think we have a problem with lumping all immigration together. There’s a huge difference between legal and illegal migration. There’s a huge jump between say a Syrian refugee who is waiting to be processed to then bring their family over verses the Albanian man who’s working as cash-in-hand delivery driver who came here for pure economic reasons to send money back to his wife - he’s also driving without insurance or a licence it’s impossible to get if you’re here illegally….

Yes, but the previous government policy was to basically treat them the same - house them in a hotel while they "process" their asylum applications (read asylum application disappears into the black hole of chaos that is the Home Office). And "house them" means subcontract out their housing to private companies like G4S at vastly inflated expenses (I mean ridiculous). Or, send them to local councils to be housed but not actually communicate this at all - basically just tell the council "we are sending you 300 people tomorrow" and then the next day 350 people arrive and the names/sex/age given by the government don't even match with those details. Its completely cack handed. And then they sit there for years while the government does god knows with their applications and sort of secretly hopes they will just abscond and stop being their problem. So the genuinely need get to live in a hideous limbo for years. And the not so genuine get to stay. And the people living next door to the detention centres not only have to suffer the problems that come with that but now get their fences ripped to pieces by a bunch of wankers.

Also - those same councils and the poorest people living there have been hard hit by years of austerity. Which started because of the financial crisis and the governments bail out of the banks. But its OK because some of those same bankers were so concerned by the state of the UK they campaigned for Brexit which led to a much higher rate of illegal immigration once we left the EU. But its OK because then they set up/joined Reform to solve the problem. And then Nigel Farage deliberately spread misinformation about the murder of 3 little girls - helping spark the riots. And now he's waggling his smug face all over the internet saying this is all a sign that other people "need to listen" but he really means listen to him.

All he bangs on about is immigration. The blokes a grade A Twonk