I guess the rioters have booked time off work?

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Just strikes me that they’re all available during the working week and yet they somehow think they’re the backbone of society.

If I had to chose who I wanted to eradicate from society it would be exactly these cretins. Fit and healthy enough to riot, fight and terrorise police officers who all have families to get back to but not fit enough to be occupied with any economic activity during the day.

Op posted this at 10.44am, on a Wednesday morning. Shouldn't she be at work? Oh the irony.

They're mostly in the evening and at weekends so work doesn't come into it.

No one is saying that everyone who grows up in these circumstances turns out the same are they? But there are factors that absolutely have an effect and make people more prepositioned to aligning with these views and engaging in this type of behaviour. Just like people who grow up in wealthy families with decent opportunities, a financial safety net and access to a decent network are more likely to be successful in life by traditional metrics; but not all will.

Spot on. This is a growing underclass who have not been listened too, even the Labour Party has been away from them. All they hear is about the rights of other people. They have put up with under resourced education, lack of access to dentists/doctors, being preached at by middle-class politicians/academics/left-wing (and right wing) lovies about what to think.

All they see is illegal migrants getting access to housing and benefits before them.

The riots will cease eventually but will happen again sporadically. There is no point just calling them scum as that will exacerbate the situation, the government needs to be seen to take action about dealing with illegal migration and help solve the housing crisis in these areas not dicking about with Rwanda and building 6 houses in posho areas.

I think, some people who have had in their own words, easy lives feel guilty about this. They shouldn't - it isn't a bad thing in itself. But its a problem if you automatically start wanting to excuse people with harder lives smashing stuff up. Because the places they smash up mostly belong to other people who also have hard lives. If all your sympathy is for the person on 70 pounds a week who burnt a library down, where is your sympathy for the people on 70 pounds a week who need to use that library to apply for jobs or the already incredibly disadvantaged children for whom that library could represent a source of free books, Or the (often volunteers) people staffing that library who have put everything into providing a service for their own community. Or what about some poor minimum wage kid in a shop that has to barricade themselves in while a mob smashed the windows. Terrifying especially if they have the wrong coloured skin.

It puts all the attention on the badly behaved and ignores an completely disregards the people with hard lives who are doing their best to build and improve. Its actively knocking those people back.

Yep, agree. As someone who was brought up as the "underclass" myself there's no excusing this behaviour.

Yawn here we go again, another one of these threads

How ironic that so many mumsnetters are gleefully starting threads condemning right wing hate speech and stereotyping, by creating a narrative around the economically inactive and what a bunch of lazy, thick and workshy they are. It's a win win for those in pursuit of peddling right wing propaganda

Aren’t illegal migrants seeking asylum? We need to be very careful with language. The use of illegal migrants is a new description used by the Right. Often by anti immigration people some of whom are immigrants themselves. It’s shameful.

It’s also true leafy lane dwellers cannot get hospital or GP appointments or get a nhs dentist either! It’s not just city issue.

This mantra of “not being listened to” is an excuse. Many don’t have access to everything they want but don’t riot. Also, I don’t want to listen to anti immigration racist rhetoric so some wholly deserve to be ignored.

Poverty isn’t driving rioting and looting. Lots of stealing is because they take the opportunity. There is a group who want to have a ruckus to get noticed but they don’t need to loot shops or attack the police. Attacking immigrants is never ever justifiable. Refugees don’t get housing before their claims are settled. That’s why there are hotels housing them!

Im not actually prepared to listen to the blame culture being exposed here. Nor is using words like underclass a good idea. They might think they don’t have access to services but neither do others. They have had access to education, jobs and a change to do better. Chanting “we want our country back”
is reprehensible whatever your situation in life.

This picture sums it all up really.
Someone is smashing the window of Greggs while another steals knock off crocs from Shoe Zone. Because of brown people of something?
They should all be too embarrassed to ever leave the house again.

Dictionary definition is

cretin
noun

DEROGATORY•INFORMAL a stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).

What is this industrial fortnight? Is it summer holidays?

Poverty isn’t driving rioting and looting. Lots of stealing is because they take the opportunity. There is a group who want to have a ruckus to get noticed but they don’t need to loot shops or attack the police. Attacking immigrants is never ever justifiable. Refugees don’t get housing before their claims are settled. That’s why there are hotels housing them!

Very nice hotels at that. I got married at a 5 star hotel, a beautiful Tudor building with gorgeous landscaped gardens. The hotel was one of the top hotels in my City. It did hundreds of expensive weddings every year, Christmas party nights, NYE parties etc.

Now the hotel rooms are occupied by immigrants, and the very fancy wood panelled restaurant, feeds everyone three square meals a day, for free.

But you expect British families living in poverty, to be placated by the fact that refugees won't get housing until their claims are settled, because in the meantime they get to stay for free in a fancy hotel?

This is while they can't feed their children and won't ever be able to afford to stay in any hotel, much less a 5 star establishment that has a pool and a gym? Is that what you're saying?

Pretty much

We had “factory fortnight” at a major employer in the town where I grew up, as it was more effective and safer to shut down completely for a period (set a year or so in advance) than to be running with low staff levels across the entire school holidays

Not sure the argument that there aren’t enough services for anybody is a good one.

Also there is a difference between ‘I want better services’ and ‘None of the available services are any good AND they have to make up for generations of unemployment.’

Frankly I doubt if any of them ever held down a seriously paying job in their lives. Rent-a-mob vermin, the lot of them.

@TizerorFizz

This mantra of “not being listened to” is an excuse. Many don’t have access to everything they want but don’t riot. Also, I don’t want to listen to anti immigration racist rhetoric so some wholly deserve to be ignored.

I agree. We have listened to very little over the past decade other than people bellyaching about how kicking all the immigrants out and pulling up the drawbridge will help us and it has achieved economic self destruction on an epic scale and now riots..

I am in favour of listening a bit less to these people from now on. I want to listen to grown adults who have critical thinking skills and compassion.

Traditional holiday period for many factories and other industries who would close down completely for the last week of July and the first week of August. Its still continued in some places. It also may have significance for race riots as there is a history of rioting during these weeks. That's speculation on my part though.

I don’t believe that anyone attending a riot is intelligent I’m afraid.

Ahh yes because posting on Mumsnet from my handheld, portable device must mean I’m not able to be at work…

@biscuitandcake I agree with you too. I thinking ruining what others need is appalling. Looting shops has no justification, even if you are “not heard”. It will be interesting to see what backgrounds the people have when they go through the courts. Some will no doubt have free board and lodging coming up!

Some might be retired and posting too.

3 have been sentenced to jail today. I hope it was worth it for them.

Well, you've been posting all morning, so it does look like you're not working, to be fair.

Just a waste for everyone isn’t it?

More resources just wasted at a time we’re moaning many don’t have enough. Those 3 hearings will have cost a small fortune, not to mention the costs of a custodial sentence. The extra shifts for officers. The disturbance will have been huge.

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