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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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Bumble6 · 05/08/2024 07:21

These rioters attacking the police and setting fire to hotels etc are disgusting and need to be locked up. Without question they are just dangerous thugs looking for a fight.
I do feel the far left have a lot to answer for too. Idiots like Farage and Trump shouldn't exist in politics but they do because there are now large amounts of people in both countries who feel like they don't matter and some here genuinely feel their lives have been affected by large amounts of immigrants, some who have completely different values and cultures, coming into their communities. Right or wrong they still need to be heard.
If you dare to question illegal immigration you are shot down as racist, fascist and that you hate all immigrants. How is that helpful? By doing that it causes more unrest. Surely it's commonsense that legal immigration is a great thing but illegal immigration is not.
People need to look at what's been happening in Europe and some of the governments there, this is not just a problem here.

IfIHadAHeart · 05/08/2024 07:21

A large chunk of these rioters are the same people getting arrested week in week out during the football season for being violent thugs. During the season they direct their violence towards “other fans”, now it’s just “others”. Before anyone asks how I know this, I’ve seen a fair few people in the footage of my local protest riot that I’ve arrested myself.

I’m on holiday this week but in some ways I’m dreading going back to work. Watching my colleagues getting hurt, and police stations/vehicles become targets has made me anxious about my job in a way I’ve not experienced before.

This just isn’t the way to raise concerns, perhaps some of them are legitimate (to them, not to me). Violence solves nothing.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 07:22

The PM hasn't ignited any flames. Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and their ilk are responsible for that. The PM simply refused to appease the extremists and I'm glad that he has the courage to say it as it is.

I bloody hope that he has good security in place though.

lemonmeringueno3 · 05/08/2024 07:22

"He has no intention of dealing with immigration."

Nobody wants to stop immigration - we need immigration or a falling population spells disaster for the economy and the country.

Every politician wants to reduce immigration. They'd be in power for a generation if they could solve that one. But it's not as easy as the rioters seem to think it is. Strategies have been tried and failed.

What do you want him to do? Spell it out.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:22

Asylum is not for that, it’s part of convention rather than labour markets

It's still part of the supply of labour @EasternStandard

Bumtittybumbum · 05/08/2024 07:22

BlueBobble · 05/08/2024 07:10

Also with @Hummingbird75.

I think that part of the problem is that people like Farage have, for far too long, been given far too big a platform in mainstream media in a bid to fill rolling news schedules. It's a shame that the newsmakers and audiences often don't realise that opposing views aren't necessarily equal and well-thought-though views... however the media dresses this up as 'balance'.

Also Westminster of whatever stripe just doesn't seem to understand the frustrations of many people in society. Which MPs live anywhere near run-down parades of shops, and are worried that their kids might be stabbed hanging around takeaways, and don't have a tidy street or a bit of green space to call their own? Have they seen some of the dirty, shitty, run-down, tired places where a lot of people live?

And how many MPs really understand that a lot of people perceive people from different ethnic backgrounds as 'untouchable' and 'favoured' in the eyes of the law and society more generally? The data may not bear that out but that is indeed what a lot of people perceive.

And regarding jobs... well there just aren't the hard-graft jobs-for-life for a lot of men (in particular) that there used to be. The camaraderie, the exhaustion, the social clubs/activities/support networks that went along with these have largely gone... (as have the industrial injuries and exclusion of the female workforce for get most part thankfully) to be replaced largely with service-sector jobs that have none of these attributes.

This may be sexist but what we have here is thousands of not-very-well educated, not-broadly-life-experienced men whose only bit of fun is often 'a spliff and a line'. Some go to guns if they can afford it. They wear branded clothing and have tattoos and unpleasant dogs as an outward display of wealth (that ironically they don't have). They often live in relatively insecure housing, have weak social networks, have complex/isolating family situations and live in the aforementioned shitty run-down areas.

Now, as compared in the past, they can find each other, and 'organise' more effectively than ever to an extent.

And this is what the government needs to get serious about. There are many millions of people who rightly or wrongly feel disenfranchised and badly-done-to. In a social media world they're more aware of this than ever. And in a world where the 'haves' (including MPs) are seen to live in nice houses, in leafy streets, with new cars, and with their kids having a choice of schools/activities/social opportunities, resentment builds.

Throw in any obvious 'target group', a catalytic event, and some warm weather, and it's a perfect storm.

Sadly for a lot of people, when they are upset about something, they make their point badly (e.g. violent disorder, destruction of local areas).

But MPs really do need to wake up to how a lot of people from all backgrounds feel. Go and drive around their streets at night. Walk their kids to school with them. Join with them in trying to make a healthy meal with whatever's available at that moment. Coach their kids on life opportunities and how to pursue them. Only THEN will they perhaps start to understand.

Exactly this ! I have been thinking this all weekend.

Tootyfilou · 05/08/2024 07:23

Its not just twitter though. Main stream media has given this fascist a platform to spout his vile views at every opportunity. The Daily Mail, Sun, Express are full of hatred, lies and Islamophobia. The scenes we have seen this weekend are a direct result of this.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 05/08/2024 07:24

Of course there are a lot of rioters who are just using it as an excuse to be violent but there are some protesters who feel they have a valid point and they are not being listened to.

Just Stop Oil feel like they aren't being listened to despite having valid concerns about climate change. Doesn't mean they can behave how they like. No one suggests pandering to the poor lambs who just feel like they don't have a voice. No one says that just breaking up their protests is ultimately pointless because the underlying issue isn't being dealt with. If they started smashing windows and burning cars would we have comments about how actually we need to sit down with them and understand what's behind it all?
These rioters don't get to burn things down and then scream "why aren't you listening to me??"

"I'm not being listened to so I'll set fire to a car and loot a Gregg's to save the country" 🙄

EasternStandard · 05/08/2024 07:24

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:22

Asylum is not for that, it’s part of convention rather than labour markets

It's still part of the supply of labour @EasternStandard

You’re overstating it, both the size and necessity

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:24

Nobody wants to stop immigration - we need immigration

Speak for yourself. Immigration that benefits the country yes, people sitting around in hotels for months on end at a cost of thousands no.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:25

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:21

All those that are saying talk or listen. Think very carefully what you are doing. What happened over the weekend is prison time. Years of it. That is not new. It’s the standard we set for ourselves to keep violence from overruling the rule of law. If we don’t have that we are finished in the UK and even worse, we will have done it to ourselves. Our society is much smarter than that.

It's the millions who voted Reform that we need to engage with. Not the rioters. Not the leaders of Reform. Both of those groups are being buoyed up by the GE result, seemingly unaware that people would have voted differently in a FPTP system.

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:26

Yes the 10 million; are there ten million people who think like Farage? That is a scary thought.

Scarletrunner · 05/08/2024 07:27

No the Gov of the last 20 years are to blame for this -they did nothing to stop immigration -then Labour get in and chuck out Rwanda and say something wish-washy about negotiating with French whom we’ve paid millions.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:27

You’re overstating it, both the size and necessity

The "necessity" is moot. They're coming anyway.

Boater · 05/08/2024 07:27

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:26

Yes the 10 million; are there ten million people who think like Farage? That is a scary thought.

I think you’re overstating their ability to think.

EasternStandard · 05/08/2024 07:28

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:27

You’re overstating it, both the size and necessity

The "necessity" is moot. They're coming anyway.

You brought up the necessity I agree that’s incorrect

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:28

okay 10 million people who like what he says. That’s not a great thought either.

Maray1967 · 05/08/2024 07:31

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 01:05

He had one job this weekend, just one. It was a simple task to try to calm things down and tell the people he understands their frustration and was going to deal with it and then also add that violence is not the answer and would not be stood for.

What he did however is challenge every single person who is unhappy and label them all far right thugs and threaten them. Now, not sure how you deal with issues in your household but when tensions are high you do not stand their with a big can of petrol and threatened every one with a wooden robotic manner and call them out and then today double down on it. He's a prick plain and simple.

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In my household if my DSs behaved badly I was prepared to come down on them like a ton of bricks if warranted. I only had to do it once with each. I taught them to take responsibility for poor decisions that impacted on others and face appropriate consequences. That’s how I now have decent, law abiding young men as sons.

Please explain how terrorising asylum seekers in hotels and assaulting the police is an appropriate response to a British 17 year old murdering children.

I will not tolerate hate and mob action and I would be horrified if a child of mine engaged in it.

Circlesinthesand · 05/08/2024 07:31

I'd say asylum seekers living in hotels are not the threat here.

You say that but do you have experience living next to one of these hotels? I do and we've had a lot of issues with large groups of them creeping around our gardens, peering in windows followed by a load of bike thefts, all on video all over FB. Don't think they know about ring doorbells. Would you feel safe allowing your teen DD to walk home alone having to walk through large groups of these men? Just because you're not personally affected, plenty people are.

AgnesX · 05/08/2024 07:32

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 00:49

Actually Farage is talking a lot of sense and condemned the violence, from speaking to literally hundreds of people today whilst filming the only person stoking up any tesions is Kier and his bloody arrogant press conferences. It's been like a red rag to a bull.

The most pathetic prime minister this country has ever seen, he truly is ignorant and blind to what is actually going on and why people are so angry. Sitting in his little ivory tower in his london bubble he really is clueless.

Blame farage all you like but your looking in the wrong place. but then again it's like the blind leading the blind.

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It's amazing that you can blame Keir Starmer - who has been PM for a single month. This is a culmination of 13 years Tory rule and a whole series of changes on the global map more widely.

Kier Starmer is telling the majority of people what they want to hear, which is that these thugs and hooligans will be punished. What's arrogant about that?

Boater · 05/08/2024 07:32

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:28

okay 10 million people who like what he says. That’s not a great thought either.

Agreed.

They primarily want someone to blame. It was the EU. It’s now immigrants. If the boats were stopped (which btw are a tiny proportion of immigration) it would be something else. It will never though be their fault. And Farage panders to this.

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:36

Kier Starmer is telling the majority of people what they want to hear,

Wrong

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:37

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:36

Kier Starmer is telling the majority of people what they want to hear,

Wrong

on the rioting? Yes.

Fifiesta · 05/08/2024 07:37

suburberphobe · 05/08/2024 00:44

I'm with you OP.

A creep and a very divisive and fascist man.

Wish he would fuck off to his sunny uplands. lala land

100%
I so wish fact checking and critical thinking could be given more emphasis in the education system.
We all need to be more insightful & be more aware of being used and influenced by such rabid people for their own nepharious reasons.

IfIHadAHeart · 05/08/2024 07:38

Circlesinthesand · 05/08/2024 07:31

I'd say asylum seekers living in hotels are not the threat here.

You say that but do you have experience living next to one of these hotels? I do and we've had a lot of issues with large groups of them creeping around our gardens, peering in windows followed by a load of bike thefts, all on video all over FB. Don't think they know about ring doorbells. Would you feel safe allowing your teen DD to walk home alone having to walk through large groups of these men? Just because you're not personally affected, plenty people are.

Would you let your DD walk through Hull city centre when white, British thugs are looting shops, setting fires and hurling bricks at police?

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