Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

I do blame Farage...
...and everyone else in power who has spouted that disingenuous far right rhetoric over the past 8 or so years.

And why should Kier Starmer even try to appease mobs who have vandalised and terrorised communities up and down England all weekend.

If they're trying to "save our kids" why burn down a community library or charge at families enjoying a day out in Liverpool? Why vandalised people's homes in Middlesbrough? Why set a hotel on fire and block the exits in Rotherham? Wicked behaviour.

And if you're that brainwashed you can't see you're being used as Farage's/ Robinson's pawns while they sit back and keep their hands "clean", I don't know what I can say to get through to you.

Yes there is no excuse for the violence and riots.

but the debate is being shut down. Even the police commissioner that said we need to address the root cause has been forced to back down.

it is not “far right” nor racist to need a robust discussion on unfettered immigration from countries with a different culture to ours.

But they had a controversial plan as Sunak said. What’s Labours plan?!

I know from experience that you do not solve burning, long standing issues by insulting and silencing people

So the burning, longstanding issue of immigration can't be solved by people chanting 'fuck paedo Muslim immigrants' and setting fire to cars, bins and mosques then, right?

How exactly do you 'listen' to people screaming that in the streets while smashing up cities?

How exactly do those people deserve to be treated with respect?

Governments do engage with the issues around immigration; they just don't drown asylum seekers in the Channel which is what these people want. They'll never be happy with any kind of immigration policy short of that.

So if my teenage son started kicking off because of something he didn’t agree with (and it was completely unreasonable), trashed his room, threatened members of his family, you’d say now now love, I’m listening ? Really ?

no sane person wants anyone to “drown”. But I want to disincentivise young males leaving their homes to come here because it’s not working out well for any of us. Not just the Uk, but all over Europe

i would welcome any genuine refugee.

this is not what is happening. And it seems impossible to solve. People are now trashing their own towns to express dissatisfaction which is horrific.

how do we move forward? Because if we don’t listen and act this isn’t going away.

What if Farage is right? Is that the question? I'm pretty dam sure Farage is an opportunistic rat.

But I do think we should be trying to open a dialogue with the disaffected. Not the rioters. Not Farage. The bulk of the Reform voters. We should have done it after Brexit.

It's going to be tricky at this point but everyone screaming "scum" for the rest of time isn't going to help either.

I'm a bit sleep deprived but I'm wondering whether challenging GB News and aim U.K. at isn't the way through this? Or at least a start? Twix is a problem all of its own but honestly the way Farage is layering himself in the dual protections of "free speech via media" plus "elected representative" is a bit nauseating. He's designing a whole new mode of delivering demagoguery as he goes along and it needs to be challenged, I think.

They're not trashing their own towns 'to express dissatisfaction'

They're travelling across the country to trash other people's towns for a fun day out.

I bet Keir is lying down in a dark room with a cold flannel over his eyes, wishing he was still in opposition and could just disagree with everything the Tories said, instead of actually having to DO anything….! Be careful what you wish for! ‘Can I come out yet Victoria?’

EXACTLY this!!!!!

Great cartoon by the way.

He and Yaxley-Lennon are directly to blame for this. Only difference is, YL is now back-pedalling because he's realised his time is up and he'll be off to prison again, so he's started on the "I didn't call for violence" thing. Enjoy your holiday in Cyprus pal and good luck avoiding the police at the border

For those who hold their hands up in defeat, Australia has managed to deal with its waves of illegal immigrants arriving in boats to a large extent without causing issues with its international standing.

'This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.'

Sorry, but no. Emilyelf's post upthread is correct. The rioters aren't some kind of poor, overlooked, ignored types. They're violent, many are criminal, thugs. I live in NE England and work in an area where I come across similar.

There have been so many initiatives, so much money thrown into this area, but these thugs aren't interested in levelling up, they're not interested in encouraging their kids in school, helping their children to make the most of their lives.

They're interested in being cock of the walk, terrorising their neighbourhoods, dealing drugs, spewing hatred. And many of them are thick as mince. They're being absolutely played by the likes of Farage who gives them a legitimate outlet for their nasty, racist thuggery. They don't have a coherent argument when you present them with the stats on violent crimes committed by white British men. They don't have an argument when you question why nicking a TV is going to help their cause, or how trashing their town is going to make things better. They just want an outlet for their thuggery.

Most of these individuals aren't affected by immigration one iota. If every single non British born person disappeared overnight they'd still be violent thugs. They'd just need to find another section of society to blame for all the ills. They'd do far better looking on their own doorstep.

Yes but what Farage is doing is much, much cleverer. This has all been pre-planned and it's very sinister.

do people that have an issue with what KS said really understand the implications?

like if he bowed down to them and their behaviour what message does that send? what about the next group who use violence to get what they want? it’s ok if the government appease them because they did for the far right?

@LiterallyOnFire yes, and he's finally been legitimised in his mind by being elected.

It's disgraceful. I hate the thought of this being our country now. I've never, ever thought of leaving before, but now I am. Because this isn't going to get any better. These people are here to stay

He needs to get to the root cause of why this is happening instead of brushing it under the carpet.

Yes agree, still part of conventions and no loss in international standing

Yesterday, watching some of the Rotherham riot, a little boy at a guess under 10 yrs said:

''Loving it! Best part of me life here'' {Being part of riot}

It looked like a load of bored thugs out for a jolly.

One of the police, approaching retirement age {At a guess} just looked broken.

Erm?

The problem with this analogy is that the implication is that the underlying disagreement on the teenage son’s side that it is completely unreasonable.

Of course there are a lot of rioters who are just using it as an excuse to be violent but there are some protesters who feel they have a valid point and they are not being listened to. Kier Starner says they are being completely unreasonable/far right.

Nigel Farage’s video condemns the violence and says policing should be tougher but that people’s concerns should be heard.

Back to the violent teenager - It sounds like he was just shut down and told his views didn’t matter rather than having a discussion and considering why he felt the way he did and perhaps compromising. Trashing his room is obviously not a great response but perhaps made more likely if he didn’t feel heard.

Even if that was desirable (and it's not) it's not possible.

Look at the expanse of ocean around Australia. Look at the puddly little English Channel that is being crossed in dinghies. That's the difference.

Everyone needs to lose the idea that immigration can be stopped. It can't.

Even if we could physically stop it, the sudden cessation would cause labour market problems.

Not to mention that stopping immigration, if it were possible, would delight the racists and stoke this all up further.

So the whole stupid ambition that the racists and rioters want is just impossible. TBH a politician or two should have been brave enough to spell that out some time ago.

@Hummingbird75 I I understand your point and open dialogue is always best but what is their grievance? They spout immigration but is that actually an issue for them? My somewhat racist DM goes on about immigration but her sleepy Scottish town has never seen an immigrant, never mind one who is stealing her job (she's retired by the way). She just gets sucked in by the Daily Mail as I imagine these lot are by their media source.
I'm a reasonably high earner and I feel aggrieved that I pay shit loads of taxes, can't get a doctor appointment and am about to get charged VAT on school fees too despite my local school being crap. I can assure you I'm not going to set fire to the local Premier Inn in revolt.
I really struggle to empathise with these people and I imagine Starmer does too. He seemed pretty angry in his press conference and I'm glad he called them out for what they are.

Exactly.

I'm wondering if we should all be lobbying OFCOM, and digging out the parliamentary regulations and standards.

We don’t use asylum for the labour market

The smallest gap between Aus and closest country isn’t very far and was close enough to have the same issue before the policy change