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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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BustingBaoBun · 05/08/2024 07:05

THIS is Farage. Says everything I think about him

Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?
NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 05/08/2024 07:05

@RunningAndSinging they lost the right to be listened to when they started trying to burn down hotels full of people because they heard there might be immigrants in them. Or when they started stopping cars and asking what race the people inside the car were to decide whether to let them through or to block them.

If they feel that strongly then they can organise political activism - writing to their MPs (although I appreciate that might be hard for them), joining lobby groups, exerting pressure on the government. Burning down libraries and citizens advice centres, and looting local businesses, is absolutely the wrong way to go about this.

oakleaffy · 05/08/2024 07:06

Most of these individuals aren't affected by immigration one iota. If every single non British born person disappeared overnight they'd still be violent thugs. They'd just need to find another section of society to blame for all the ills. They'd do far better looking on their own doorstep.

100% correct.

Clma · 05/08/2024 07:07

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 01:05

He had one job this weekend, just one. It was a simple task to try to calm things down and tell the people he understands their frustration and was going to deal with it and then also add that violence is not the answer and would not be stood for.

What he did however is challenge every single person who is unhappy and label them all far right thugs and threaten them. Now, not sure how you deal with issues in your household but when tensions are high you do not stand their with a big can of petrol and threatened every one with a wooden robotic manner and call them out and then today double down on it. He's a prick plain and simple.

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They're scum. Why should they be appeased? They are the worst of this country.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:07

We don’t use asylum for the labour market

OFC we do. Asylum seekers win their leave to remain and become king term residents. That's a significant slice of the demographic pie. Now EU Labour has stopped, too.

MinnieMountain · 05/08/2024 07:08

On The News Agents podcast they said that Farage knows exactly where the line is. He walks right up to it, then takes a few clear steps back.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:09

THIS is Farage. Says everything I think about him

He is NOT a carpetbagger. He's steering some of this, not following behind making hay.

EasternStandard · 05/08/2024 07:10

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:07

We don’t use asylum for the labour market

OFC we do. Asylum seekers win their leave to remain and become king term residents. That's a significant slice of the demographic pie. Now EU Labour has stopped, too.

It’s not necessary for the labour market, we are not relying on it

BlueBobble · 05/08/2024 07:10

Also with @Hummingbird75.

I think that part of the problem is that people like Farage have, for far too long, been given far too big a platform in mainstream media in a bid to fill rolling news schedules. It's a shame that the newsmakers and audiences often don't realise that opposing views aren't necessarily equal and well-thought-though views... however the media dresses this up as 'balance'.

Also Westminster of whatever stripe just doesn't seem to understand the frustrations of many people in society. Which MPs live anywhere near run-down parades of shops, and are worried that their kids might be stabbed hanging around takeaways, and don't have a tidy street or a bit of green space to call their own? Have they seen some of the dirty, shitty, run-down, tired places where a lot of people live?

And how many MPs really understand that a lot of people perceive people from different ethnic backgrounds as 'untouchable' and 'favoured' in the eyes of the law and society more generally? The data may not bear that out but that is indeed what a lot of people perceive.

And regarding jobs... well there just aren't the hard-graft jobs-for-life for a lot of men (in particular) that there used to be. The camaraderie, the exhaustion, the social clubs/activities/support networks that went along with these have largely gone... (as have the industrial injuries and exclusion of the female workforce for get most part thankfully) to be replaced largely with service-sector jobs that have none of these attributes.

This may be sexist but what we have here is thousands of not-very-well educated, not-broadly-life-experienced men whose only bit of fun is often 'a spliff and a line'. Some go to guns if they can afford it. They wear branded clothing and have tattoos and unpleasant dogs as an outward display of wealth (that ironically they don't have). They often live in relatively insecure housing, have weak social networks, have complex/isolating family situations and live in the aforementioned shitty run-down areas.

Now, as compared in the past, they can find each other, and 'organise' more effectively than ever to an extent.

And this is what the government needs to get serious about. There are many millions of people who rightly or wrongly feel disenfranchised and badly-done-to. In a social media world they're more aware of this than ever. And in a world where the 'haves' (including MPs) are seen to live in nice houses, in leafy streets, with new cars, and with their kids having a choice of schools/activities/social opportunities, resentment builds.

Throw in any obvious 'target group', a catalytic event, and some warm weather, and it's a perfect storm.

Sadly for a lot of people, when they are upset about something, they make their point badly (e.g. violent disorder, destruction of local areas).

But MPs really do need to wake up to how a lot of people from all backgrounds feel. Go and drive around their streets at night. Walk their kids to school with them. Join with them in trying to make a healthy meal with whatever's available at that moment. Coach their kids on life opportunities and how to pursue them. Only THEN will they perhaps start to understand.

BustingBaoBun · 05/08/2024 07:12

Isn't it strange.... yesterday Starmer was being insulted and maligned for his nasal voice and being too weak dealing with this. Now today, he's being too inflammatory.
The Tories for 14 years didn't deal with this, immigration rose, they did NOTHING, and just parroted Rwanda Rwanda... 4 weeks in to a Labour government and it's all down to them. They inherited a bucket load of problems from the Tories

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:12

It’s not necessary for the labour market, we are not relying on it

It's going to be a big help as the numbers swing.

CurlewKate · 05/08/2024 07:13

@echt "How has Keir Starmer "ignite the flames even more" exactly?"

By not appeasing the mob, apparently.

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:14

Clma · 05/08/2024 07:07

They're scum. Why should they be appeased? They are the worst of this country.

You can’t appease violence like this. Your life, the life of anyone that didn’t meet their standards wouldn’t be worth living. You would have had the rule of law over to a mob.

That is magical thinking. If we will talk to them they will stop. It is also weak. Pretending that these people are not racist or violent when they are.

lemonmeringueno3 · 05/08/2024 07:15

They're all angry at the PM because he's not doing anything but he's been PM for about ten minutes, and they're angry that he didn't appease them in his statement yesterday. Did they really think all of this would get them what they want? Does anyone want to live in a country where violence and disorder gets you what you want? His message was right - this is wrong and you'll regret being involved.

RunningAndSinging · 05/08/2024 07:15

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 05/08/2024 07:05

@RunningAndSinging they lost the right to be listened to when they started trying to burn down hotels full of people because they heard there might be immigrants in them. Or when they started stopping cars and asking what race the people inside the car were to decide whether to let them through or to block them.

If they feel that strongly then they can organise political activism - writing to their MPs (although I appreciate that might be hard for them), joining lobby groups, exerting pressure on the government. Burning down libraries and citizens advice centres, and looting local businesses, is absolutely the wrong way to go about this.

Yes of course - the people setting fire to the hotel are very scary indeed and looking for a reason for violence. Probably ’far right’ isn’t really relevant.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:16

I think that part of the problem is that people like Farage have, for far too long, been given far too big a platform in mainstream media in a bid to fill rolling news schedules. It's a shame that the newsmakers and audiences often don't realise that opposing views aren't necessarily equal and well-thought-though views... however the media dresses this up as 'balance'.

And now he's all over the new right wing news channels where he gets given big chunks of airtime to deliver pieces straight to camera. Those outlets don't even care about balance.

I don't think the arrival of those channels at around the same time Nigel has some electoral success is exactly happenstance.

I only stumbled on this this morning, but for many GB news will it be their main news source;

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2024 07:17

Bellsandthistle · 05/08/2024 05:50

What is it you think she stands for?

Hate.

It has been evident from lots of her posts.

I have seen a lot of your posts too, so I won't be engaging further.

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:17

lemonmeringueno3 · 05/08/2024 07:15

They're all angry at the PM because he's not doing anything but he's been PM for about ten minutes, and they're angry that he didn't appease them in his statement yesterday. Did they really think all of this would get them what they want? Does anyone want to live in a country where violence and disorder gets you what you want? His message was right - this is wrong and you'll regret being involved.

He has no intention of dealing with immigration.

Gorgonemilezola · 05/08/2024 07:18

'But MPs really do need to wake up to how a lot of people from all backgrounds feel. Go and drive around their streets at night. Walk their kids to school with them. Join with them in trying to make a healthy meal with whatever's available at that moment. Coach their kids on life opportunities and how to pursue them. Only THEN will they perhaps start to understand.'

All this stuff has been happening for years. There has been so much done to try and sort this out but many of these thugs don't want to work or live in a nice leafy area. Because then, chances are, they' d be a minnow in a very big pond. That's not what they want. They like their perceived hard man status.

Lots of friends locally are teachers, and tbh some of their stories would make you sit down and weep. Individuals and agencies run themselves ragged trying to help but thugs gonna thug.

lemonmeringueno3 · 05/08/2024 07:19

"We don’t use asylum for the labour market"

No but we use the 80% of them allowed to remain and work.

And even more so after 2030, when the indigenous population is expected to start falling.

We do need people working and paying taxes.

Horsenohound · 05/08/2024 07:20

Keir seems to be happy to appease some groups of protesters but not others, hence his new moniker
‘Two Tier Keir’

It should be one approach and one law for all rioters.

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:20

Horsenohound · 05/08/2024 07:20

Keir seems to be happy to appease some groups of protesters but not others, hence his new moniker
‘Two Tier Keir’

It should be one approach and one law for all rioters.

Absolutely

EasternStandard · 05/08/2024 07:20

lemonmeringueno3 · 05/08/2024 07:19

"We don’t use asylum for the labour market"

No but we use the 80% of them allowed to remain and work.

And even more so after 2030, when the indigenous population is expected to start falling.

We do need people working and paying taxes.

They can work after time but we don’t need to rely on asylum for it. Visas are a better way to match what you need

Asylum is not for that, it’s part of convention rather than labour markets

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:21

Horsenohound · 05/08/2024 07:20

Keir seems to be happy to appease some groups of protesters but not others, hence his new moniker
‘Two Tier Keir’

It should be one approach and one law for all rioters.

What do you mean?
This is an emergency situation.

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:21

All those that are saying talk or listen. Think very carefully what you are doing. What happened over the weekend is prison time. Years of it. That is not new. It’s the standard we set for ourselves to keep violence from overruling the rule of law. If we don’t have that we are finished in the UK and even worse, we will have done it to ourselves. Our society is much smarter than that.

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