“What negatives of history shouldn't have focus? And by British culture, what do you mean?”
We shouldn’t be constantly hearing - oh the British Empire was the worst thing - just to reframe this nearly all of Europe were doing similar things, it was how the world was. We were just more successful at it than a lot of countries. You don’t hear the hate about this for other countries. Literally anything this country achieved historically is attacked. We should be celebrating the many many achievements which have come out of Britain, Britains role (specifically its navy in halting the trans Atlantic Slave trade. It’s thinkers, it’s inventors. We should be creating pride in Britain
Okay, so we can't speak about anything Britian did unless it was us in the right? That's erasing history,
“Personally, all the 'immigrants' where i live are very much very enmeshed in the local community. Community kitchens providing meals for the disadvantaged etc. I agree about the language, which is a service that is offered by their local communities. It's not an overnight thing either though. The vast vast majority speak the language,” - This is really not the experience many have once immigrants reach critical mass. There is no attempt to integrate. In many areas, particularly those with high numbers of Muslim immigrants many can’t speak English despite being here for decades. It needs to change. Everyone should have a minimum standard of English.
I very much doubt that we have whole communities without any integration. They work in those communities, their children attend schools and so on.
“Okay, this argument can easily be we shouldn't have anything for women specifically, it should be open to all?”
And I don’t think we should have having events which only seek to employ women or give girls only, an experience in say education
So you disagree about the push for Women in STEM?
”We need to understand why young white working class boys don’t achieve as well as other groups at school.
Agreed, but a lot don't want to hear the answers. ”
and what do you think those answers are?
Poverty, lack of good education, parents not pushing for academia, not being an academic person. If your parents don't care for school/education, where is the push? I've seen this happen time and time again.
”It's quite common for people to build communities within a community. We have a local italian community where i live, should this not be allowed? They send all their kids to specific schools.”
The trouble arises not when a community is built within a community, it’s when the members of the sub community fail to acknowledge their primary membership should be of the wider community and they seek to replace the existing community.
Community can be many things at once. What is an action that you feel shows that the members of these communities fail to acknowledge their primary membership?
“If the police were acting in a racist way, we should call it out. Much like if they were being sexist or homophobic. ”
unfortunately many people are crying this every time the police go near their community and often it results in what a lot of people perceive as favourable treatment.
If the police act in a racist manner, they should be called out on it, Like with all forms of bigotry.
“I don't see the correlation on this personally. It's not supposed to be a slice of pie, others getting a slice shouldn't remove your slice. ” it doesn’t really matter whether you see the correlation or not. The people rioting do. There are always going to be limits on resources, the resources most affected by immigration are those that are used by many people at the lower end of the economic and educational ladder. Sometimes perception is enough to create a problem. What are people here doing to convince the rioters it’s not a problem if that’s what they believe.
But again, the lack of housing isn't down to immigrants. The under funding of our NHS isn't down to immigrants. If these people rioting were discussing the actual issues rather than putting up a strawman Immigrant argument, people would engage with them.
” But again, acknowledging there is a privilege to being a white male is a step our society as a whole needs to take. No-one is saying that all white men have it perfect, we know that's far from true. But it's also possible to note that you have it hard and admit others have it hard in other ways,”
This is far too nuanced for it to be generally understood. What someone, who hasn’t been able to get a job, is living on the breadline , has not had help at school, etc hears is, don’t complain your privileged, it’s inflammatory language. We need to do better
IThe privilege remark is usually in response to stupid sayings like "oh white men are the least wanted etc" so no. I'm white and i live on the breadline yet i'm not the one rioting and pretending to be a victim.