Feminists against sex segregation in sports

[Tandora]

AIBU to share a different perspective on a subject that seems to be almost entirely taken for granted on mumsnet? This is not something I have a definite opinion on myself (although I am against sex testing and I fully support the rights of trans women and women with differences in sex development to compete alongside other women in sporting competitions at all levels).

However I have found it really upsetting the degrading way that people have been speaking recently about top/ elite female athletes; denigrating their sporting prowess, and portraying them as weak, feeble and helpless, particularly in the wake of this boxing match controversy.

I started looking into opinions on the issue, starting with a search on “feminists against sex segregation in sport”. I came across this really interesting article.

AIBU to share?

journals.library.wustl.edu/lawreview/article/3150/galley/19983/view/

one of the central points made in the article: accepting sex segregation in sport as the universal default reinforces harmful gender stereotypes, as well as sex segregation in other domains

Absolutely batshit.

"the degrading way that people have been speaking recently about top/ elite female athletes; denigrating their sporting prowess, and portraying them as weak, feeble and helpless"

What on earth have you been reading where you've seen things like that??

This. Nice try OP

as usual I’m just embarrassed for you OP

I thought you were an expert in the subject? 🤔

OP is upset that the realists among us know that men have an advantage in sport and that's why sport should be sex segregated.

She thought that examples of women beating men at sport debunked our theory so we pointed out that the men woman can beat would so mediocre they would not qualify for elite men's competition. And from that we get the claim about women being portrayed as weak and feeble which was not what was said. But here we are...

It's dishonest and disingenuous nonsense.

What harmful gender stereotypes does it reinforce?

No sex segregation means no women’s sport. How very progressive

ignoring biological differences would make sport unfair and potentially very dangerous.

I take it you'd be perfectly happy to get into a boxing ring with Tyson Fury then? You know, because he's obviously not stronger than you at all.

'I fully support the rights of transwomen men and women males with differences in sex development to compete alongside other women in sporting competitions at all levels'

Fixed it for you.

Mens advantage in sport is not a stereotype is a scientific fact.

However I have found it really upsetting the degrading way that people have been speaking recently about top/ elite female athletes; denigrating their sporting prowess, and portraying them as weak, feeble and helpless

Top female athletes sporting prowess is tested against other female athletes just as males is tested against other males. It is obvious why. It is a complete mystery why there are no women claiming to be men cutting a swathe through the male competitions isn't it? Now why do you think that is?

Watch the mixed swimming medley relay and then come here and tell us that the men have no advantage over the women.

My daughter is working hard with the aim become a professional in her chosen sport . If there were no women’s competition she wouldn’t get past club level. No amount of hard work would get her past the advantages of male puberty & testosterone.

You can’t be very bright if you don’t understand this OP.

Hahahahah sure, you have no definite opinion

I really don’t have a definite about sex segregation in sports. This article isnt arguing doing away all sex segregation, but suggesting that it shouldn’t be the default, but on a case by case basis each sport should have to justify and meet a burden for proving why it is necessary in that case.
this makes sense to me
i also wonder if we should stratify based on a range of nuanced criteria, rather than binary sex.

So do you think the Algerian Muslim boxer that is winning the women's medal in the Olympics is a feminist icon as there are no pictures of this boxer wearing a hijab despite claiming Allah is behind the win?

What’s your PhD in @Tandora

I fully support the rights of trans women and women with differences in sex development to compete alongside other women in sporting competitions at all levels.
Transwomen are biologically men. Why do you want men in women's sports? That's like saying you think the over 40s should participate in the under 12s. It isn't safe or fair so we don't do it.

You can’t be very bright if you don’t understand this OP.

Can't be very feminist either.

This^

We don't see all the trans men clamouring to compete in the men's events, do we?

Can't imagine why.

The difference that I have with your opinion is that I don't believe that merely believing you are a woman is enough to make you female. The boxer in question has increased testosterone and other defined male characteristics (bone and muscle differences) because they were born with XY chromosomes. This gives them a clear advantage to female.

You can’t be very bright if you don’t understand this OP.

@Tandora sex segregation isn't a universal default. If you knew anything about sport you'd know that.

On sex segregation in sport ? No.

“You can’t be very bright if you don’t understand this OP“

Agreed