To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

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These "protests" just look like a load of people out for a fight. People on live steams talking about going to get beer and seem to be having a great time.
Causes are lost because of reasons like this? Why would I support you when you are destroying my city? Setting fire to bins? Throwing all sorts at the police. I can't support this.

Applogies - meant hard right.

Oh. Planning for possible future outcomes, good practice. Covid enquiry shows everyone how it goes when you spend years shoving money into your mates coffers and having parties instead. If those diverted funds, and the huge amounts of other public money, had been spent for the benefit of the public instead of facilitating another yacht or two for the over-entitled and over-privileged then the circumstances leading to the current disorder are unlikely to have arisen. What do you think Cassandra?

Shit like this is why non-white people have to take consider racism as well as location, good schools, value for money, etc. when moving somewhere. It's massively tiring.

Shame you had to add the last line. Can you post without the insults and attack, if reading posts makes you angry then that’s on you.

I think we’re going to struggle due increased movement and it was easy to see from a while back. Politicians are going to have higher unrest and just ignoring wont help.

I see. "No answer came the stern reply".

To what?

When did you foresee riots @EasternStandard?

Unrest has been building in this country for years but I think you know that.

Not just here, there has been in other EU countries.

Initially I thought it would build over time but the statement on smash the gangs made me think it would be that approach that does it

In a month I’d hope a new gov would not be foolish enough to put in place trafficking policies that cause this

Starmer's trafficking policies caused this?

Half the thugs would not even know what "trafficking policies" mean. Were they shouting slogans about it? No, they were shouting about Muslims and the p word.

Trying to blame this on anything other than racism, encouraged and orchestrated by the far right, is shameful.

It also makes me wonder about that poster's motivations, tbh.

Absolutely. Organised racist violence is what it is. Some people are definitely revealing their true colours here.

Third time of asking - when did you foresee riots @EasternStandard?

I’d prefer to avoid riots altogether so that is incorrect.

Some countries will see this more than others due to decisions made on policy

Yes I agree that unrest has been building in this country for years. Actually I'd call it hatred and racism / xenophobia. I place the blame firmly with the racist / xenophobic politicians like Patel, Braverman, Johnson, Anderson, Farage and Tice.

And yet some expect Labour to have unravelled all that in 4 weeks!

Johnson purging his party of decent Tories who might have challenged him and his racist colleagues won't have helped either.

Borrowed from another thread:

Dominic Grieve on X :

"It's impossible to view the postings of Farage, without utter revulsion.
He masquerades as a " reasoned commentator" on what he claims to be a national crisis linked to immigrants while claiming he deplores any lawlessness. Then he hints at more lawlessness if his warnings are not heeded.
The reality is that his entire political future is dependent on fomenting confrontation and division. It is by creating a climate of crisis that he has got where he has"

I don't understand why those of us who live in cities that have riots should feel embarrassed.
I'm proud of where I live and on the whole we have great people, as is demonstrated by the clean up efforts. I feel no affinity when the people involved in the rioting or their actions.

I'll continue to feel proud to live where I do and contribute where I can.

Yes I agree unrest has been stirring but to place all the blame on a government that has been in power for a month is disingenuous.

Posters online amplifying the "reasonable concerns" and saying that violent disorder is an acceptable response are part of the cause of this.

The mindset is similar to victim blaming excuses "explanations" for male violence in general.

'save our kids' but no one rioted over lucy letby did they? wonder why?

I’m nowhere near it. I’d prefer policy and calm like Aus and have said so for a while

It’s a different approach but citizens are happy enough to never vote it out.

Don’t forget Letby is ‘innocent’ remember? There’d be no innocence campaign if she was another sex or class and riots if she was another nationality, religion or colour and anyone disputing that are either stupid or lying.

OK. Well we aren't Australia so their policy won't work in our context, as has been discussed ad nauseam.

It's not like Australia never sees violent disorder and has no issues with racism either.

They won’t have rioting over increasing trafficking nor will they vote to end policies regardless of Labor or Liberal

And it’s clear we’re not Aus, we’ve moved in the opposite direction with ‘smash the gangs’.

We’ll see how it pans out over next few years.
I think we’ll see the two diverging in outcomes as numbers increase here

I don't know. Obviously there are a lot of people out who just want to start a riot and smash things up. But yesterday, in Northern Ireland, Loyalists and Nationalists marched together carrying the Union Jack and the Tricolour. They stood side by side, saying that this is important enough to bring them together and that the differences between them mean nothing compared to the problems that now unite them.

Anyone who actually understands the first thing about Northern Ireland has to understand the magnitude of this. It's not something I would have ever imagined happening in my lifetime or, tbh, far beyond. I can't actually believe it's happened. If Ulster Unionists and Nationalists are standing together, even if it's just in small groups right now, then what is happening is an awful lot bigger than yobs smashing things up. And it's probably worth us putting aside our initial distaste and working out exactly why people are so angry.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/national/union-flags-and-irish-flags-are-flown-side-by-side-at-anti-immigrant-protest-in-belfast-city-centre-4728240

No it didn't, concerns with immigration started way back under Blair's Labour. Anyone who had concerns were shouted down as racist and weren't listened to.

Our Tradesmen protesting because they were being undercut by cheap foreign labour, and being insulted by people saying they didn't want the jobs or didn't have the skills. They were peaceful protests by men who just wanted to earn a decent wage so they could pay the bills. Before this Gordon Brown had promised British jobs for British workers which is why if you look at the photos from that time this slogan was on the placards. He never kept that promise.

So it doesn't just go back to the last Government, tackling immigration has been at the forefront of politics for years. Each time there's an election parties have promised they will sort this but they haven't. Every time this happens the working class feels ignored and let down by the people they elected.