To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

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These "protests" just look like a load of people out for a fight. People on live steams talking about going to get beer and seem to be having a great time.
Causes are lost because of reasons like this? Why would I support you when you are destroying my city? Setting fire to bins? Throwing all sorts at the police. I can't support this.

To add to my post when people feel ignored, let down and hopeless that's when they are more likely to be drawn to an extremist party, one who they think will listen to them.

Racists have always had "concerns about immigration".

It's not like the Windrush migrants were welcomed with open arms.

This is just transparent anti-Labour nonsense, and completely inappropriate at the moment.

I haven't read any posts on MN that have been in agreement with the riots

Huge cleanup underway in Hull. Huge amount of fires, vandalism, doctors unable to get in and out if hospital. This was not a protest it was horrendous thugary. Thankfully the Humber street sesh at the marina went ahead and apparently escaped all this.

What you actually mean when you say "people feel ignored". Practically speaking, what does that mean? What voice or rights do you feel that group doesn't have that others do?

Of course there will always be racists, but you cannot say that everyone concerned with immigration or migrants coming across the channel are racist.

Why is my post anti Labour? Maybe you're too young to remember that time but everything I have said is what happened.

The Conservatives are just as much to blame.

That's not what I said, is it.

I don't understand a mindset that jumps to "if the government do a thing I don't agree with, people will riot, so they better not do that"

That mindset shares characteristics with people who think "women deserve it" if the are wearing a short skirt. It's not outright saying the violence is acceptable. But its placing the blame away from where it should be, which is with the person/people being violent

No it didn't, concerns with immigration started way back under Blair's Labour.

Demonstrable bollocks. Being used to suggest racist rioting is "understandable"

Race riots have been a feature of the UK for too long, personally I hoped they were a thing of the past. It's really upsetting to see it on our streets and posters on here 1) going on about "reasonable concerns" and 2) trying incorrectly to pin the blame on "the left" make me incredibly angry.

Posters rationalising rioters are part of ths cause of this.

So you want me to pretend that what happened back then didn't actually happen because it was Labour, ok then.

No one is saying that rioting is the answer.

No. I want you to be accurate in the language you are using so as not to further inflame or inadvertently amplify far right talking points.

"Concerns about immigration" didn't start under Blair. That is factually incorrect.

Please stop talking about the working class as a group with a single view. There are working class people across the entire political spectrum with wide ranging views on all issues, including immigration.

Yes it did. Are you saying that talking about immigration means a person is now far right?

I agree there is a need for accuracy and care @2dogsandabudgie - you've suggested a starting point that is not true.

Whether you have done that accidentally, because your political/historical knowledge is not good or because you intend to make a political point, I have no idea.

Well of course there are but in a similar vein you can't put anyone that is concerned about immigration and boat crossings and the affect that has on our housing, hospitals etc in the far right racist group.

If you don't like generalisations, don't make generalisations yourself.

I haven't made generalisations.

You have.

You don't speak for the working class. You only speak for you.

There has never, ever been any form of racism in the UK that comes close to that in Northern Ireland, where people of two very similar ethnicities saw such differences between them that were were at literal war with each other for decades. A war that ended without any real rapprochement between the extremes in either community. And yet, that's happening now. Something that was utterly unthinkable in Northern Ireland happened yesterday. Any idea that what's happening across the UK this week is just plain old racism is annihilated by marchers in Belfast marching under Union Jacks and Tricolours together.

If you don't understand that, then you don't understand the most significant political discord within your union. And without understanding that, you can't really understand what's happening now. It's too foundational.

It predates Blair, though I suppose you could blame Harold Wilson as he was in power when Powell gave his ‘Rivers of Blodd’ speech.

What a mealy-mouthed way of saying that it's not the racist rioters' fault they are attacking innocent minorities, looting shops and gleefully committing arson for fun.

You'd rather avoid riots but these poor far right thugs have no choice..

Your paraphrasing is absolutely woeful and incorrect.

I’d prefer to not have these riots and I’d get more like Aus where it won’t flare up due to policy.

Riots are costly and disruptive not to mention the cost of court cases and any incarceration.

And of course the front line police

It is the same sort of narrative that Yaxley-Lennon is currently pushing on his Twitter account. From his sunbed in Spain.

I wouldn't be embarrassed about being from Hull, I doubt many of the people rioting are from there. These idiots are travelling far and wide to get in on the 'fun'. It's clear it's not all the local communities as I have seen lots of locals out defending mosques and going out to clean up the mess. Just be proud of them instead of focusing on the rent a mob.

He wants to be more like Aus?

And you follow him on Twitter? All power to your elbow that’ll help

My motivations? I'm deeply dissapointment in some of the people from my city.

This person you follow on Twitter is he raising the costs of riots?

It's a day out for many

'Let's go out and see the riots' idiots!