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To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

494 replies

Chester23 · 03/08/2024 16:09

These "protests" just look like a load of people out for a fight. People on live steams talking about going to get beer and seem to be having a great time.
Causes are lost because of reasons like this? Why would I support you when you are destroying my city? Setting fire to bins? Throwing all sorts at the police. I can't support this.

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biscuitandcake · 07/08/2024 12:30

Livelovebehappy · 05/08/2024 18:39

But that’s how she feels. Who are you to challenge that? It’s not about it not being ‘white enough’, it’s about not wanting the crime that a lot of cultures being to the country. If you don’t like people voicing that, then I’m afraid that comes under the heading of ‘tough’. You don’t have to agree with her sentiments, but you shouldn’t minimise her concerns, which btw are shared with many moderate people.

You can't complain about the crime/violence that other cultures bring if you are smashing up a shoe shop and looting sausage rolls though. The "I can understand why they are upset" could just as easily be applied to the Kurdish men you mentioned running around with knives. Possibly they had very difficult childhoods etc, doesn't excuse them acting like twats though. And if you do excuse it, it stores up problems in the future. Lots of people live in really difficult situations and don't set fire to libraries.

I agree, its important to have a conversation about crime rates, about poverty and urban deprivation, about the reduction in services for already struggling services during "austerity" and yes about the fairness in housing asylum seekers in temporary accommodation in those already struggling areas. But that's separate to the rioters. You have to crack down on those. Same as 2011. Anything else, is actually just feeding/encouraging it.

mightymam · 07/08/2024 12:32

Shared on our local Facebook group:

To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?
Crikeyalmighty · 07/08/2024 12:35

@mightymam oh what big men they are wanting to be 'lads together' -

SerafinasGoose · 07/08/2024 12:36

Crikeyalmighty · 07/08/2024 12:35

@mightymam oh what big men they are wanting to be 'lads together' -

Their calls to riot are always addressed to 'lads'. Funny, that.

TheSnootiestFox · 07/08/2024 12:37

SerafinasGoose · 07/08/2024 12:22

I currently live eight miles down the damned road. Not that that's any of your business whatseover.

My fears for my relative's welfare are because (and if you live locally you'll know this), there are Nazi riots planned for today. This lunchtime. It's the thugs who make me fear for his safety. Not the immigrants. The 'inarticulate thugs', as you so aptly call them, who trashed the city centre only days ago and who are both local and bussed in from elsewhere.

I've been living in a village which has an asylum seeker's hotel. There was a fuss kicked up when they were moved here, including by our not-so-delightful fossil of an MP.

They have not caused one speck of trouble between the time of their arrival and leaving a couple of months ago. The residents of this village have barely known they were here.

Your prejudices, I am afraid, are just that.

Edited to say that @Chester23 - I was replying to your reply to @TheSnootiestFox - not taking issue with your response to them, with which I agree.

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It was you calling them inarticulate thugs actually, I was taking exeception to the term you used. I have no interest where you live although you have just confirmed that you're miles removed (figuratively) from the people targeted by the protest organisers and I'll think you find that my so called prejudices are actually valid opinions formed by lived experience. Just because you can't or won't see it doesn't mean that it's not happening. Hope your brother is OK but as far as I was aware the word on social media was that the so called nazi protests weren't happening!

TheSnootiestFox · 07/08/2024 12:40

pointythings · 07/08/2024 12:23

My oldest lives in a very multicultural large town. She has experienced many instances of sexual and other harassment. All without exception from white British men. The problem here is men.

Yes, all men should be monitored and put under curfew 🙄

SerafinasGoose · 07/08/2024 12:44

TheSnootiestFox · 07/08/2024 12:37

It was you calling them inarticulate thugs actually, I was taking exeception to the term you used. I have no interest where you live although you have just confirmed that you're miles removed (figuratively) from the people targeted by the protest organisers and I'll think you find that my so called prejudices are actually valid opinions formed by lived experience. Just because you can't or won't see it doesn't mean that it's not happening. Hope your brother is OK but as far as I was aware the word on social media was that the so called nazi protests weren't happening!

My closest relatives own businesses in the middle of that area. Some of the businesses (not ours) have just been smashed up and looted. We are directly affected and can see quite well what is happening

I stand by the term 'inarticulate thugs'. To counter this, not one of them seems to be able to tell broadcasters precisely what they are protesting about. It has nothing to do with a Cardiff citizen of Rwandan parents whose family religion is Christian. Why, in that instance, attack mosques and perpetrate two pogroms just yesterday? (Because, and the answer is clear, this is Nazism).

This is not about a response to the deaths of three innocent little girls in Southport. And what if the cause of those deaths ends up being, yet again, VAWG? Will that spark riots? Will there then be protests against those who are perpetrating that unenviable 'national emergency?' - i.e., yet again, men?

No. Of course there won't.

pointythings · 07/08/2024 13:07

@TheSnootiestFox people who go out and smash up shops and libraries, attack emergency workers and set fire to hotels are absolutely inarticulate thugs. They are criminal racist scum. They are the dregs of society. And anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

People are free to have the shittiest of foul racist opinion if they want to. That's fine. But the moment they act on those opinions in a way that breaks the law, they deserve everything they're getting. No understanding, no sympathy, just jail and a ruined reputation.

dimsumfatsum · 07/08/2024 13:28

Another one in one of the places I'm in:

To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?
EasternStandard · 07/08/2024 13:31

dimsumfatsum · 07/08/2024 13:28

Another one in one of the places I'm in:

What is this screen shot referring to? Locations of riots or something else?

SerafinasGoose · 07/08/2024 14:06

pointythings · 07/08/2024 13:07

@TheSnootiestFox people who go out and smash up shops and libraries, attack emergency workers and set fire to hotels are absolutely inarticulate thugs. They are criminal racist scum. They are the dregs of society. And anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

People are free to have the shittiest of foul racist opinion if they want to. That's fine. But the moment they act on those opinions in a way that breaks the law, they deserve everything they're getting. No understanding, no sympathy, just jail and a ruined reputation.

Amen to this.

orangeN · 07/08/2024 14:34

pointythings · 07/08/2024 13:07

@TheSnootiestFox people who go out and smash up shops and libraries, attack emergency workers and set fire to hotels are absolutely inarticulate thugs. They are criminal racist scum. They are the dregs of society. And anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

People are free to have the shittiest of foul racist opinion if they want to. That's fine. But the moment they act on those opinions in a way that breaks the law, they deserve everything they're getting. No understanding, no sympathy, just jail and a ruined reputation.

I don't know what to add, I agree 100%

bergamotorange · 07/08/2024 14:45

Livelovebehappy · 07/08/2024 10:48

Currently immigrants coming through are a drain on our resources (not all). It’s not cheap housing them in hotels for months/years whilst being processed. Not their fault, fault of previous government, but still an obvious drain. Housing we don’t have, NHS servicing too many people. Unvetted immigrants now going to be let onto our streets by the Labour government granting amnesty, presumably need housing, May have criminal records where they come from, which might impact crime and potentially prisons. Just stating the facts here.

This claim about amnesty is false.

Chester23 · 07/08/2024 17:24

TheSnootiestFox · 07/08/2024 12:17

Don't you dare mock my lived experience of my child being assaulted by an immigrant in the city of Hull.

The protestors that the other poster is so bothered about would not be a risk to either my son or the poster's brother. I would stake my pension on that. Honestly, if you are too dense too see what's going on in the UK and why many people have concerns about immigration then please don't bother engaging with me on here. I repeat, again, I don't condone the protests but I sure as hell understand where they've come from.

The way your post came across is that because of a small number of people that everyone from that nation are criminals. Again I don't condone any violence. But you claim spring bank isn't safe because of foreign people. Not because of the small number of people who do bad things. There are plenty of lovely foreign people living down spring bank.

This person that attacked your son could quite easily have been an English person.

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Livelovebehappy · 07/08/2024 18:19

pointythings · 07/08/2024 12:23

My oldest lives in a very multicultural large town. She has experienced many instances of sexual and other harassment. All without exception from white British men. The problem here is men.

Guessing you don’t live in Rotherham then….

SalemsPot · 07/08/2024 18:23

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pointythings · 07/08/2024 18:42

Livelovebehappy · 07/08/2024 18:19

Guessing you don’t live in Rotherham then….

No, she doesn't and she has now moved - it was her uni town. But that statement from you is no kind of gotcha. Grooming gangs are of course dreadful - but they are only a small subset of overall sexual abuse of young girls, and the majority of the total is committed by white men. As always, the situation is far more complex than is presented by people with a certain agenda.

Livelovebehappy · 07/08/2024 19:27

pointythings · 07/08/2024 18:42

No, she doesn't and she has now moved - it was her uni town. But that statement from you is no kind of gotcha. Grooming gangs are of course dreadful - but they are only a small subset of overall sexual abuse of young girls, and the majority of the total is committed by white men. As always, the situation is far more complex than is presented by people with a certain agenda.

Exactly. It is far more complex than you saying your daughter was sexually harassed in the city she lives in, every one of them being white men. The implication being that it’s not isolated to just that city, but a country wide problem with white males. It’s really not. There are awful misogynistic sexual predators of every colour everywhere. The only common denominator being they’re all men.

pointythings · 07/08/2024 20:44

The only common denominator being they’re all men.

Well, quite. So if you recognise this as the problem, why are you posting insinuations about amnesties for asylum seekers (not true) and about people coming in who may have criminal records (a statement that requires evidence)? Why are you posting that immigrants are a drain on our resources when this applies to asylum seekers, who are not allowed to work? It's not a good look.

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