To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

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These "protests" just look like a load of people out for a fight. People on live steams talking about going to get beer and seem to be having a great time.
Causes are lost because of reasons like this? Why would I support you when you are destroying my city? Setting fire to bins? Throwing all sorts at the police. I can't support this.

The tik tok lives are just embarrassing

Males with faces hidden looking awkward then lobbing a brick before striding away

Silly females giggling and holding phones up to film

The odd drunken older male strolling past shouting obscenities

Charging at the police then crying when the pepper spray gets in their eyes

It would be a good idea to check up on immigration rules and the asylum system before commenting.

Yes, legal routes such as work, study and spouse visas exist. But the legal routes for people seeking asylum are very few and far between. Of course there’s the Ukrainian visa scheme (Ukrainians are now unable not allowed to bring over family members from Ukraine, leaving parents and children separated), the Hong Kong “visa” and family reunification scheme (relatively few visas are given this way). Can you add any more?

The legal way to seek asylum in the UK has always been to request asylum in the UK - I.e you have to be on UK soil to claim asylum. They do not, for the vast majority of asylum seekers, accept claims from overseas. The new Illegal migration act sought to make claiming asylum by arriving in the UK illegal, leaving no routes whatsoever. The previous government left claims unprocessed and people stuck in hotels, detention centres and barges with no hope of having their claims processed or being deported. Just in limbo. Not able to work, contribute, integrate or build connections for years for some people. The private companies with government connections that ran the hotels etc did make millions in profit though, so that’s nice.

Oh, and as stated above, the 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. They are allowed to seek asylum in country where they have ties (could be language), connections, or a higher possibility of work.

TL;DR you can’t claim there are safe routes for asylum seekers by conflating them with work/study/spouse visas.

It’s worth remembering this as well, from the Migration Observatory,

“Asylum seekers accounted for 7% of immigration to the UK in 2023, compared with 4% who arrived on bespoke humanitarian schemes for Hongkongers, Afghans and Ukrainians.”

It’s not the “uncontrolled flood” that some people like to make out. It looks worse now as people are being left in limbo in hotels etc. When I worked in asylum support 20 years ago, people were housed in the community, supported with esol lessons and integration. The conservative government removed all our funding so esol classes were gone. Support was hugely reduced and more of the burden fell on local councils. Our attached youth group also lost funding.

These awful riots are in large part caused by the lack of understanding about the asylum system and a certain group’s insistence that anyone brown or black must “an illegal”, “you’re not British if you’re brown”. Beyond ignorant, and with dangerous consequences.

I'm from Sunderland! I totally get it!
I feel angry at what they're doing, and ashamed that people from my area can behave like that! It's scarey they walk among us.
BTW DS spent 4 yrs at Hull Uni and we were very frequent visitors. Always loved it and found the locals very friendly x

Well maybe that's what 14 years of Tory government does and why they just got kicked out. Labour have only been in power five minutes and instead of giving them a chance these rioting fools start smashing up town centres and attacking police. Ridiculous.

Starmer’s decisions are relevant. The trafficking policy and how he responds generally to not lose control of the situation

The cause being blatant racism - a mindset that you can't separate from violence and looting. Sorry, it's always going to be one whole package.

Farage starred all this with his video speculating the Southport murderer was a Muslim boat immigrant under M16 surveillance. This violence suits his racist politics and lust for power, it's what he wants, it's what he's getting.

What on earth are you on about?
Are you complaining that everyone isn't white?

I remember this like this happening a few years ago. Something sets them off and before you know it they’re all looting and setting fire to their neighbours houses.

DH is police and the whole of the UK was dealing with it in so many towns including our little town (where nothing goes on ever).

He was in the army and trained to deal with rioting in NI. He said that’s just what it was like.

Agreed. It was like the police said boo and they ran. I think the police did brilliantly pushing them back into an easier to contain area. And I did hear one guy shouting at them to stop throwing stuff. Unfortunately 3 police have been injured.

Maybe embarrassed was the wrong word. I was very upset, angry and in disbelief that this was happening.

Dominic Grieve on X :
It's impossible to view the postings of Farage, without utter revulsion.
He masquerades as a " reasoned commentator" on what he claims to be a national crisis linked to immigrants while claiming he deplores any lawlessness. Then he hints at more lawlessness if his warnings are not heeded.
The reality is that his entire political future is dependent on fomenting confrontation and division. It is by creating a climate of crisis that he has got where he has.

Seeing the fires, looted shops and those guys whose car was hijacked (anyone know if they are ok, someone is shouting about them being stabbed in the video?) has made me so incensed. There is a clean-up operation being mobilised for this morning — details on Reddit/FB, at the fire station in town — so hopefully we can show the world that the majority of inhabitants love this city and aren’t thick twats. That Stan Collymore post is just excruciating, the level of ignorance 🤷🏻‍♀️

What a far cry from the Battle of Corporation Field in 1936 😕

This exactly. Completely agree.

They say they’re being silenced. They are bloody not , it’s all we’ve heard about for the last decade. And these are the exact people who are wilfully ignorant and don’t care to learn about the refugee experience beyond what the daily mail has wrote.

After seeing the chaos that erupted in Manchester including a black guy getting set upon by a crowd of violent racist white guys it makes me very glad I didn’t go to my hobby group which I travel to by train. I didn’t recognise the Manchester or Liverpool (where I used to live) that I saw in videos!

Just waiting to hear all the reports of abuse and disturbances on public transport that followed.

There’s no way these “reasonably concerned” thugs people quietly got back on trains and buses.

What are you expecting him to have achieved in a month?
Don't you think burning down police stations and libraries and wasting police time might slow down progress somewhat?
I hope Starmer toughens up police response to violent hooligans. I don't want them on our streets. Water cannon them and lock them up.

In a month I’d hope a new gov would not be foolish enough to put in place trafficking policies that cause this

I was incredulous people thought it a good idea pre GE as disorder was likely

Well said. I wish a leaflet with this on could be printed up and given out to all the people rioting. Somehow I don't think their comprehension skills on the whole would be up to understanding it though.

No labour policy has "caused" anything in the space of less than a month. Grown men looking for an excuse to throw their toys out the pram. There's no justification.

Burying your head in the sand won’t help you or Starmer. This was foreseeable a mile off.

They should have given policy change more than a second’s thought.

Oh please. They would have found another excuse to smash stuff up soon enough.
And I think you're being far too generous suggesting that any of these degenerates have a clue about any policy changes.

I remember you. I read your comment and knew it must be you. Not one to let reality impact your posts. What did the Tories do to stop this issue? And yet Labour should have cracked it in 4 weeks.

Given I have been posting disorder is likely I’d say I got it right. Here we are with exactly that.

‘Remember you’ wtf how odd

Mn obviously doesn’t cover numbers but the DM does.

If Labour keep seeing the increase they are disorder is more likely.

It’s pretty simple and ridiculous posts from below about remembering whatever from pp doesn’t change how easy it was to see. If they can’t ‘smash the gangs’ as pledged Labour will be facing some difficulty here

Trump, Farage aided by the poisonous snake oil of Brexit has caused this and encouraged it. They'll be picking over the smoking remains left by those stupid enough to destroy their own communities to see what they can gain from it. "I love the poorly educated" says Trump. Of course he does.