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To be embarrassed to be from Hull right now?

494 replies

Chester23 · 03/08/2024 16:09

These "protests" just look like a load of people out for a fight. People on live steams talking about going to get beer and seem to be having a great time.
Causes are lost because of reasons like this? Why would I support you when you are destroying my city? Setting fire to bins? Throwing all sorts at the police. I can't support this.

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CassieMaddox · 03/08/2024 21:21

PandoraSox · 03/08/2024 21:02

Yes, exactly. Newly formed party my backside. Reform UK PLC is UKIP with a new coat of paint. It will never be a major political party.

Yep. And UKIP was BNP.

SnugQuoter · 03/08/2024 21:23

Just arrived home after watching my son's band on stage at the music festival taking place on Hull Marina. It was a world away from the disgusting scenes enfolding a few minutes away in the city centre. I had to walk through town to get home-the police were out in force and things had quietened down a little. There's a reason these racists target places like Kingston upon Hull rather than Kingston upon Thames - stoking division in places where life is tough enough already without further destruction and grief.
Hope not Hate - that is all x

pointythings · 03/08/2024 21:24

2dogsandabudgie · 03/08/2024 20:45

That chart is very misleading.

Out of those 19 countries on the list down to the UK, there are only 3 which are smaller in land mass size compared to the UK. One is the same size and the rest (16 countries) are larger than the UK. Some considerably larger, so I think the UK takes its fair share of refugees.

It shouldn't be about land mass, it should be about number of refugees per 1000 of population.

CassieMaddox · 03/08/2024 21:25

Diyextension · 03/08/2024 20:42

14% is still alot of votes for such a newly formed party, when you consider the tory party got 24% and labour 34%

14% doesn’t speak for the uk. But its still al lot of votes from people who want change from the big 2 party’s

34% for labour is not exactly the uk either, but someones got to govern and thats democracy ……

Personally i cant see labour being much different from the tories but time will tell I suppose.

One thing i can see in the next 4 years is if the current government fails to bring any changes in to the immigration system then reform will increase its share of the vote considerably.

My money is on Tice/Farage having some kind of spectacular fall out and the "party" imploding personally.

I think this is the last desperate throes of the movement because in 5 years time we will have forgotten about the "stop the boats" nonsense because Labour won't be pandering to it.

I basically want to spend the whole day going "you lost, get over it" to these far right idiots and the people that say they have "reasonable concerns"

MuddlingMackem · 03/08/2024 21:36

OP, you are BU to be embarrassed.

I'm another from Sunderland, and was shocked and furioius about what happened in our city last night.

However, the swastika emblazoned thug seen prominently in a number of videos is apparently from Stoke, and was arrested in a local Wetherspoons this morning. As many of the PPs have said, whilst there are locals in each town taking the opportunity to join in the mayhem, it's largely Thugs on Tour.

2dogsandabudgie · 03/08/2024 21:38

pointythings · 03/08/2024 21:24

It shouldn't be about land mass, it should be about number of refugees per 1000 of population.

No it shouldn't. Of course the size of a country has to be taken into account.

LunaNorth · 03/08/2024 21:52

I’d quite like to take Britain back - for a refund. It used to be a nice tolerant country, formed and populated by immigration from time immemorial.

Unfortunately it’s gone a bit off and seems to be full of racist thickos. I’d like to exchange it for some gift vouchers.

Stephy1886 · 03/08/2024 21:56

What does smashing a town up achieve?

ilovesooty · 03/08/2024 21:56

2dogsandabudgie · 03/08/2024 21:38

No it shouldn't. Of course the size of a country has to be taken into account.

Are you going to respond to the link posted by @pointythings which demonstrates that we are hardly being overwhelmed by refugees and asylum seekers?

PandoraSox · 03/08/2024 21:56

MuddlingMackem · 03/08/2024 21:36

OP, you are BU to be embarrassed.

I'm another from Sunderland, and was shocked and furioius about what happened in our city last night.

However, the swastika emblazoned thug seen prominently in a number of videos is apparently from Stoke, and was arrested in a local Wetherspoons this morning. As many of the PPs have said, whilst there are locals in each town taking the opportunity to join in the mayhem, it's largely Thugs on Tour.

Good news that he has been arrested but I expect it is just an occupational hazard for him.

2dogsandabudgie · 03/08/2024 22:04

ilovesooty · 03/08/2024 21:56

Are you going to respond to the link posted by @pointythings which demonstrates that we are hardly being overwhelmed by refugees and asylum seekers?

It didn't come up properly, just asked if I wanted to donate. Seemed dodgy.

1dayatatime · 03/08/2024 22:24

@2dogsandabudgie

"No it shouldn't. Of course the size of a country has to be taken into account."

Err doesn't that depend on the topography, current use of land and land with infrastructure? Otherwise you could argue that Greenland should be able to take large numbers of migrants because it's a big country (despite being covered in an ice sheet).

Crikeyalmighty · 03/08/2024 22:25

@CassieMaddox - blimey are you me!! I feel identical. Can you imagine the hoo ha from right wingers if all of us that were anti Brexit had been out there tanked up with crates of wine and abusing police and looting shops!!

Wisterialily · 03/08/2024 22:55

My child needed to go to Aand E tonight in Hull, luckily I was diverted to an urgent treatment centre.

I had no knowledge of what was going on in the centre had I driven to A and E I would have had to go down those roads.

Why?!!! It's such pointless violence!! Why do human have such a mob mentality? I saw a quote on insta tonight that said hate has caused many problems but not solved one. So true.

DonnaBanana · 03/08/2024 22:56

2dogsandabudgie · 03/08/2024 21:38

No it shouldn't. Of course the size of a country has to be taken into account.

Greenland.. Saudi Arabia.. Alaska.. yeah your logic makes a lot of sense. By your logic Russia could easily have 2 billion people in it.

Livelovebehappy · 03/08/2024 23:07

pointythings · 03/08/2024 18:16

There. Are. No. Legal. Routes.

Hope that's simple enough for you.

Don't be silly. Of course there are legal routes for legal immigrants. But not for those who sneak in via the back door. Obviously.

StuckintheRutt · 03/08/2024 23:08

Sorry if it's been mentioned but this is tapping into something in that type of pysche, tribal wars, violence , fighting.

I think could be about anything.

ilovesooty · 03/08/2024 23:15

2dogsandabudgie · 03/08/2024 22:04

It didn't come up properly, just asked if I wanted to donate. Seemed dodgy.

How strange.

ilovesooty · 03/08/2024 23:16

Livelovebehappy · 03/08/2024 23:07

Don't be silly. Of course there are legal routes for legal immigrants. But not for those who sneak in via the back door. Obviously.

Oh dear. 🙄

bergamotorange · 03/08/2024 23:22

Livelovebehappy · 03/08/2024 23:07

Don't be silly. Of course there are legal routes for legal immigrants. But not for those who sneak in via the back door. Obviously.

Please can you explain the details of these legal routes you say exist? Because everything I have read suggests that there are very limited legal options from almost every country.

I am sure you know an awful lot about this though, presumably you know more than the journalists who have covered these issues for decades Smile

PickAChew · 03/08/2024 23:30

Wisterialily · 03/08/2024 22:55

My child needed to go to Aand E tonight in Hull, luckily I was diverted to an urgent treatment centre.

I had no knowledge of what was going on in the centre had I driven to A and E I would have had to go down those roads.

Why?!!! It's such pointless violence!! Why do human have such a mob mentality? I saw a quote on insta tonight that said hate has caused many problems but not solved one. So true.

I hope your child is OK.

So much for these boneheads' claims of protecting children.

ASimpleLampoon · 03/08/2024 23:41

I'm sorry what a horrible thing to be happening around you.

400 anti racists in Cardiff and just 20 racists. The picture I saw was of 5 granny types wearing save our children T Shirts. Looks like EDL or heir Welsh equivalent (whoever they are ) made empty threats but didn't turn up.

Try are supposed to be turning up tomorrow though.

We will see.

Livelovebehappy · 04/08/2024 00:09

bergamotorange · 03/08/2024 23:22

Please can you explain the details of these legal routes you say exist? Because everything I have read suggests that there are very limited legal options from almost every country.

I am sure you know an awful lot about this though, presumably you know more than the journalists who have covered these issues for decades Smile

1.2 million oeople migrated to the UK in 2023. Legally. These people applied to come to the UK and were accepted. Obviously there's no 'legal' route for people coming to the UK on boats. Why would there be? Theyre coming through several safe countries - if theyre escaping persecution (doubtful for a lot of them, who conveniently lose their documents confirming from which country they originate from) then they can settle in the first safe country they arrive in.