Michael Jackson

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Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled?

I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere.

After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly.

I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

Not sure what level of evidence you expect a victim of sexual abuse, particularly one who was a 10 year old child, to produce. In any case, others - legal others - seem to disagree:

Michael Jackson lawsuits alleging sex abuse can be revived, US appeals court says (bbc.com)

I really hope this is reinvestigated @creamofroses those boys well me now deserve justice for what happened to them!

Agreed !

Don’t put words in my mouth. Where is your evidence for these accusations, which, by the way, are bordering on the libellous ? Can you show me where l’ve said any of that in any of my posts. At no point did l say l was comfortable with it - l described it as odd and disturbing, but not proof in itself of abuse. And absolutely nowhere did l say that l would send my own children off to sleep over with any man, famous or otherwise, and l’ve said several times l wasn’t particularly a fan.

He really was

Then why are you so hellbent on correcting anyone who thinks he's guilty?

The people who are convinced he’s innocent and those men are just liars should be made to watch that documentary. It’s harrowing.

In his 2003 interview with Martin Bashir, Jackson (then 44) is on record saying he shares his bed with children that are not his own children. That's not in question or speculation, he says it on camera and names some of those children (all boys). Whatever the outcome of subsequent court cases, you either think that behaviour is ok and because he was an innocent/naive 'Peter Pan' character or you don't.

Which is what he groomed you to think. Does he sing or dance like a child?

The lawsuits are not being brought against MJ himself, they are asserting that the businesses he owned had a duty of care towards them. This assumes that he was guilty of the abuse they allege. Tricky. He’s dead, and US law dictates that death terminates criminal responsibility.

Middle aged man with fucked up issues since childhood and adopts weird persona, builds a remote fairground to entice children and sleeps in same bed with multiple young boys. All fact.

Complete nonce. His music disgusts me. I turn it off if it comes on the radio. If they play it in a shop, I walk out.

I’m not. I’m simply doing what everyone else here is doing - expressing my opinion, which is basically that all the conjecture in the world doesn’t change the fact that the jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to convict. Opinion isn’t fact and doesn’t take into account that juries are privy to information not released to the public. Even allowing for the fact that feelings run high on subjects like these, expressing an opinion either way does not entitle other posters to level unfounded accusations of things that have clearly never been said or even implied.

He wasnt convicted! He was investigated by the FBI and police and they never found evidence of anything. The alleged be victims were proven to be lying.

The two men who made the 'documentary' were also known liars who defended mJ in his previous cases. Their documentary has been debunked - there are several documentaries demonstrating that they lied.

Just because he was found innocent that doesn't mean he was innocent though.
People can say what they want it's a free country and we have freedom of speech(for now).

The only ‘correcting’ l can find from this poster is directed at you, for the ridiculous assumption that defence lawyers get to hand pick juries. This thread gets more batshit with every post.

That documntary is a hit piece and very well acted! No investigative journalism happened there. There are several documentaries that debunk it and show they were lying. I've watched the documentary and all of the many debunking it. They want money.

I have to say, as soon as I started watching Neverland I thought the Australian man was being dishonest, or putting something on. I watched the rest not coming to any conclusion, it was just at the start

Again one more time just for you as you seem to have ignored all my other posts I did NOT state that as fact, I asked if that was what happened. It's not batshit to believe he was a nonce, or to state that opinion. What is batshit is to believe that his behaviour was fucking normal!

Where have l said l disagree with that ? Everyone has their own opinion and the debate around those opinions is part of free speech. I’ve challenged others and been challenged myself. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't think I did say you disagreed, if I did I apologise. Yes absolutely, there is nothing wrong with that at all, on that we can agree.

Not sure anyone here, whether for or against MJ, would say his behaviour was normal. I certainly wouldn’t, but that in itself doesn’t prove he was guilty of the abuse he was accused of.

I was responding to a point you made that if the accusations were "sleeping in a bed with children" and if he'd been charged with that, he'd of been convicted.

My post was about the general tone of this thread, and referred to "how many posters on MN of all places seem to be perfectly comfortable with a grown man sleeping in a bed with random children"...

I was not accusing you, personally, of being fine with a grown man sleeping in a bed with or putting his hands down the pants of little boys, aged between 7 and 10 (clearly his preferred "type").

Though, given you've posted upwards of 45 times on this thread defending him and denigrating the testimony of the (many) victims, one would have to assume you do support MJ and hence this behaviour.

No adult should be sleeping in the same bed as a child, I used to get into my parents bed as a kid and it makes me sick now, they never should've allowed it. Although nothing untoward happened.

Yes if he was just some Bert Bloggs down the road you wouldn’t let your kids within a mile of the weirdo, but because he made Thriller and is rich, people bend themselves backwards to find him wholesome. Hence why some parents willingly let him abuse their kids. Thick.

Granted, Gill never faced charges in a court of law, but....https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-gain-nothing-by-destroying-eric-gill-s-beautiful-works-of-art/
The family dog FFS!!!