Michael Jackson

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Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled?

I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere.

After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly.

I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

I don't think he was in his prime in the 90s. I'm old enough to remember the Thriller album in the eighties, when he still looked like a human being. That was, for a very long time, the biggest selling album of all time. By the 90s he had become a weird parody of himself. The 'Wacko Jacko' stuff, like sleeping in an Oxygen Tent in the 80s was later revealed as a marketing stunt. By the 90s, how truly bizarre he had become was coming to the fore. His music would never reach the heights of Thriller, or the follow up, 'Bad'.

Like some of the posters of around my age (50) I found him creepy in the 90s, but the Jackson I remember as a child in the Thriller era, not so much. He was linked with adult women, then, not small boys, although later it would be said that this was to hide what was already evident to those closest to him.
His prime as a solo artist was the 80s. The 90s was when he really started to lose both the plot and his audience. His music wasn't centre-stage any more. I could tell you most of the tracks from his 80s career, and I wasn't even a big fan. Beyond that awful earth song I can't even remember the title of that Jarvis Cocker took the piss out of his performance of on the Brit Awards, I'd be hard pushed to remember what he did musically in that period, but I can remember the growing concerns about his behaviour around kids.

Maybe it is different if you were a kid in the 90s and 90s Jackson was the first you knew. For me, the 90s was when he started to fall apart musically and personally. He still drew the crowds right up until his death, because he still knew how to put on a show, but his music wasn't making the money it once was.
The point about the money Robson wants from his estate is one of the reasons it's been hard to nail Jackson. Victims have been dogged by claims that either they or their parents just want the cash. If this had been the dirty old man down the road who had no money or fame, I think the evidence presented by Robson and Safechuck would have satisfied anybody enough. But because there's potential financial gain, it muddies the waters. Jackson's fans see the pound signs. There's certainly an argument for the pound signs being a big reason why parents were still allowing their kids to stay over with him at the time of the Martin Bashir documentary, despite the by now we'll and truly open concerns.

Even if you didn't believe the rumours, if that was somebody on your street who didn't have the money and fame who had that level of suspicion attached to them, your kids wouldn't have been anywhere near that house. So why were the kids still round there? Because the parents chucked their kids to the potential wolf for what Jackson could 'do' for them financially.
The whole thing stinks, from the man himself to the parents who threw their children at him even after his well-publicised trial.

Until his car broke down and a certain Chandler parent stopped to offer assistance, he had not met their child. That's not a rumour. It's fact.

@CosmicDaisyChain
That worked out well for him, a negligent parent offered their child to him unsupervised, if someone did that with me I'd report them. He took them up on their offer and shared a bed with their child because he was a pedophile.
This is becoming a pointless discussion, nobody will ever convince me he is a child abusing piece of shit and vice versa.

You might want to edit the last sentence as it sort of contradicts yourself.

Because he was insanely talented and produced a fantastic body of work.

Rolf Harris paintings, Justin Lee Collins hyperactive ramblings, Jimmy Savilles TV shows aren't a loss to the world.

The same reason why Jimmy Page, David Bowie, Steven Tyler, Mike Tyson, Mohammed Ali (not a sex offender but had a lot of views around interracial marriage etc that wouldn't be tolerated now) etc won't be cancelled.

A lot of people see a reason to seperate the person from the art. So long as the art is good 😀

Jimmy Page in particular has avoided opprobrium merely by the skin of his teeth.

Nonetheless it’s hard to credit anyoneputting MJ’s musically very basic ditties on a par with Bowie.

I don't think you can.

I was a huge Lost Prophets fan. Huge. Loved Ian Wakins back in the day.

Couldn't listen to them now.

Good grief, adults with children being groomed to hand their children over? They weren't fit then, maybe not criminal just not quite the full shilling?

Not true, plenty of people who aren't fans don't think there's enough evidence. When you've got people wanting huge pay outs it's fair to question things. Also being a fan doesn't stop me criticising his terrible choices, I don't even agree with the way he became a father solo amongst the sleepovers and many other things.

Why are you ok with there not being proof for Michael Jackson? Since the trial where he was found not guilty we've only got the word of Wade and James who want money and swore blind nothing ever happened up until the last few years. So much of the MJ case is about his weird behaviour yet Lucy Letby's is ignored-oh every healthcare professional takes home handover sheets and facebook stalks parents, there's not enough evidence (despite the fact there's literally loads) ok then 🙄

@ObelixtheGaul it was just called Earth Song lol. Well he was never going to top Thriller and he was obviously huge in the 80s but by the early 90s he was still massive and a global megastar.

If this had been the dirty old man down the road who had no money or fame, I think the evidence presented by Robson and Safechuck would have satisfied anybody enough.

The point is if Jackson wasn't rich would there even be any allegations? Money does terrible things to people, you see it all the time in families. It's a huge incentive. It's probably the reason he preferred to hang around kids in the first place as they liked him for him not because he was rich. A hell of a lot of adults only care about money. He really couldn't trust a lot of people. Obviously he failed to take into account that kids grow up and sometimes become money grabbing adults.

@Firefly1987
Once again I need to point out that there is no proof for most child abuse claims, and for most all that there is is the victims word, so this case is no different than most.

Yet he kept having kids in his bed even after being accused of abuse