@saidthebellsofstclements I don't get it, one of you described a pub when it was in actual fact a restaurant or vice versa? Yeah that's completely understandable and nothing like what James alleges. He said he was molested multiple times in one place when in actual fact it didn't exist until after 1992 when he claimed the abuse ended. It's not a small detail it completely throws out the idea MJ dropped kids once they were a certain age and wasn't interested in anyone but young boys. Not only that but James' description of abuse happening in the train station was meant to be at the very start of it happening, so being 16 at the time does not tie in with that at all.
@Mirabai yep the personal attacks always start sooner or later don't they. I was a fan, like I've been a fan of lots of artists and bands. So I've read the evidence over the years and I'm just not convinced either way. My "excuse" is there is far too much misinformation on both sides to ever know the truth of what happened. What's your excuse for defending a CONVICTED baby killer on the LL thread? Why are you not angry that an evil bitch tortured and killed babies? Do you think it's only ok to question evidence as long as the accused isn't a suspected paedophile? You ignore the mountains of evidence against her.
I’m 53. I thought he was a pervy sqeaky freak then and I was right. He wasn’t cool he was just really weird.
So you were too old then-not a kid whilst he was in his prime so you don't get the appeal he had at the time to these kids and somehow think he needed to build a fairground to get them to spend any time with him. Despite the fact he's always said "I've never invited them into my room they always ask to stay with me"-not that he should've allowed it of course. Yeah he was weird, he hardly had a normal upbringing did he, he had to act like an adult at eight years old and experienced violence at the hands of his father who admitted to whipping him.
@kkloo It sounds like you're saying that you don't think that it would be psychologically or emotionally abusive to make a little child the centre of your world, share the intimacy of a bed etc. and then ditch them afterwards for a younger boy? Do you not think that that could cause trauma?
I don't know if any of that is true as I have no idea how often he spent time with them or the nature of their friendships. How do we know he ditched the boys? Some he remained friends with and some would lose interest in him no doubt as they grew older. And they continued to speak very highly of MJ until they came out with the allegations, so do Culkin, Feldman etc. to this day. Wade and James did not at any point up until then say they were traumatised by their friendship with MJ. If they suffered any trauma it's most likely to be from having messed up home lives and shit parents.
Your last question shows that you just don't understand grooming. Victims of it will often have extremely complex relationships with their abusers. They could love and hate them. They could be angry with them and also feel sorry for them. They could wish they never met them while also wishing they could be with them. They could know that what happened was wrong and fucked them up but also be jealous if he did it to others and that they weren't 'special' like they thought.
I'd probably believe Wade and James if they just wanted to tell their story, but no Wade wants over 1 billion dollars from Jackson's estate! James wants money too. Blaming his estate and trying to get money out of it just smacks of greed. They had their chance for justice whilst he was alive, of course you would question someone who stands to gain millions and millions from people believing their allegations. They know they can't get justice now from the person that allegedly hurt them, or ever see them in jail, or get money off them whilst they were alive-but being a multi-millionaire now MJ is dead will help? OK then.