to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

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Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

Allah please. You are here arguing about a Muslim.

I have no idea if she is a feminist or why she doesn’t wear a hijab.

Where on earth are you getting that this person has a cervix? Where is that from?All that needs to happen is for the external genitals to look female or femaleish at birth, and the baby is recorded as female. Come puberty, all becomes obvious.

Social development as a woman is irrelevant. What matters is if her body gives her any advantages over other competitors.

it was a turn of phrase 🫶🏻

The hijab ban only applies to French competitors not to any other nationality,

It's a big deal though in the world of feminism? Being expected to cover up by men and in Paris where it's banned. What is going on there. Is this boxer now a feminist icon because they never wear a hijab and claim support of Allah?

Do tell.

I'm starting to wonder about you as a poster…there's no way you don't see the doublethink, dishonesty and sheer absurdity of your posts. It simply isn't possible.

everything you say is absurd

That's the dream.

Yes was just going to say what about genetic mutations of the sex chromosomes for example XXY chromosomes or even XO (no second X OR Y).

Turns out someone with a real y chromosome gave birth, but only because of their unique genetic make up disabling the Y chromosome. Possibley they werent even aware of it until they were later tested for another reason.

karger.com/sxd/article-abstract/13/2/83/296333/A-47-XXY-Pregnant-Woman-without-the-SRY-Gene?redirectedFrom=fulltext

I think you are being blasphemous.

Where on earth are you getting that this person has a cervix? Where is that from?All that needs to happen is for the external genitals to look female or femaleish at birth, and the baby is recorded as female. Come puberty, all becomes obvious.

I read they have. Why are you so uptight about that?

" All becomes obvious "

In that simple sentence can you not imagine the denial, change, upset that might occur???

You talk as if we are not referring to human children?

Yes. It is. And there's no way you don't realise it.

What's this form of argument whereby you take a few points and repeat them as if that somehow stops them being true? Is it like a man becomes a woman just by saying he is?

Not quite true. Prior to the 2016 Olympics, surgery was a requirement to male transgender people to compete. This was changed for the Rio Olympics.

And since 2021, some major sports have now excluded male transgender athletes or have made the entrance eligibility requiring very low testosterone levels.

Please be clearer about this.

@Nameychangington

is this boxer now a feminist icon because they never wear a hijab and claim support of Allah?

I don’t know? Perhaps she is for some women? I dont have the cultural references to speak on that.

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I can well imagine that this was very distressing for all involved yes. But I don't think that someone that happened to, should get women's medals and accolades as a compensation for that. Women's sports aren't a consolation prize for males with DSDs, or any other males who've had a hard time. Women exist and matter too.

There's a certain sort of person who's spent years telling us doctors sometimes make mistakes assigning "gender" at birth and can't be trusted, and now we have a prominent case where apparently the doctors actually have made a mistake and suddenly they're telling us the decision made at birth is more important than the information that supercedes it.

I like the way you've inferred that crap men are as good as elite females when taking exception to the idea that there's no point to female athletes.

Oh do stop this obsession with cervixes.

A cervix is not 'proof' of being a woman.

Some women lose their cervixes through surgery (ie cervical cancer.)
Some women lose more through a hysterectomy.

Some women are born without a womb but they are still women. And some wanted to be pregnant but can't be.

Using a 'cervix' as some 'identity organ' is just silly.

Except there isn’t really any information that supersedes it? We know hardly anything about the medical facts here

Why? A performance by a woman, who does not have male advantage, becomes elite at a level that would be crap for someone who did have that advantage. Much like my schoolfriend who submitted A level coursework that was passable for degree level. The fact that it was only passable at degree level did not stop it being exceptional at A level, nor make A levels pointless.

You know this, though.

Exactly. Thank you.

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