to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

[taylorswift1989]

Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

Very generous of you. 🙄

It doesn't matter what he grew up as,he's male.

Being raised believing he was female doesn't make him female.

I’m sorry that you find biological facts “hate filled rants”. There are only two sexes. There is really nothing I can say that can break it to you more gently. Real life is hard, and you may well struggle more in your future, sorry again.
@Bambooshoot

You're not sorry so save it.

There is clearly not much that I can say to point out that you going loco on a subject on here doesn't make it more convincing.

Save the repeated personal insults for another thread, it might work there.

I don't find biological facts anything but biological facts.

Hate filled presumptions are something else.

how should I know what *she wants. If you have a point please make it

You're a feminist who thinks women can have penises, advocates pitting males against females in fights, would pass opportunities for elite women over to crap men and doesn't see any point to female athletes. You're a feminist whose every argument is based in fallacy, Newspeak, deflection, obfuscation, denial and argument by assertion. There is literally nothing else to it. It isn't just not feminism, it's male supremacism, it's dangerous, and it's absolutely barking.

This is not new information for the athlete or anyone around them. And it's not complex to diagnose, male puberty and female puberty can't be mistaken for each other and an individual with 5ARD has male puberty

@Nameychangington

How on earth do YOU know that?

👏

You're a feminist who thinks women can have penises

yes I do.

advocates pitting males against females in fights

no I don’t.

would pass opportunities for elite women over to crap men

no.

and doesn't see any point to female athletes

no. We have covered this. Please drop the manipulative tactics. Thanks.

I am a feminist.

Of course you do. That's literally why you want them to compete against each other. What could be more of a direct comparison than that? Again, do you not follow your own reasoning, such as it is?

You don't believe that people sought to exploit people with DSDs, I don't accept those boxers are females.
That's 1-1.

@Runningupthecurtains

You just didn't come up with ANY examples so 🤷‍♀️

I am not sure on this but believe the case is very different from a trans woman. If someone was at birth female then I would respect that as I think you can only be male or female. I think it is complex and I feel very sorry for the individuals invovleved.

Time to grey rock.

No one knows what DSD this athlete has but given that their body shows that they are testosterone sensitive it's can't be CAIS or Swyer's so 5ARD is the most likely. That ls the one Caster Semenya, Christine Mboma and a load of other 'female' athletes have. It would fit with a baby in a developing country being believed female at birth but turning out not to be.

So he's a woman hitting women without ever being seen with a hijab on. Allah approved he told us.

Are the feminists here in agreement? A woman can leave off the hijab and Allah will approve? Does Allah check birth certificates?

Re the second point, is it your position that sex and gender are the same thing?

No Transwomen have been permitted since Rio in 2016, but the rule change was made late in the Olympic cycle so limited opportunity for qualification. Tokyo was the first games where a full cycle had taken place to allow qualification.

The thing is, it’s not just about the Olympic, which such a small minority of people have a shot at. What does happen is the filter down effect - girls and women being pushed out of grassroots competition (which is happening, there are plenty of threads on Twitter listing transwoman who have won women’s events) which in turn means they don’t earn enough recognition to get scholarships/accepted into sports programmes. Fast forward another 10 years and there’s a massive drop in girls moving through into the elite adult programme, and maybe then people might start noticing when there are fewer women taking up professional sport.

Sorry are you saying a Muslim woman has to wear a hijab in order
to be a real woman?

How many women have to lose out for it to matter to you?

What about competitions which aren't the Olympics?

What about the women who are injured? I posted couple of examples up thread.

What about the women who lose out on sporting scholarships for college? You know, the women who wouldn't otherwise be ble to afford an education.

Your feminist credentials are rubbish. No feminist prioritises the wants of men over the needs of women.

So what about the hijab. Is this boxer a feminist too as I haven't seen a hijab?

e. It would fit with a baby in a developing country being believed female at birth but turning out not to be.

Yep and I'm questioning the " not turning out to be bit "

How easy is it for a 12 your old with a cervix to stop being a girl in Algeria or anywhere else for that matter?

Poof - you're a boy.

@Nameychangington

Here are some of the actual women who lost their rightful rewards to male women:

https://www.shewon.org/

I'm asking you. Is this boxer a feminist? Is this boxer making a statement about the hijab. Is this boxer fighting with Allah's support without ever wearing a hijab?

Your feminist credentials are rubbish

are
you the arbiter on people’s “feminist credentials” 😂

Thank god you are not.

yes I’m a feminist. And I don’t hate trans women, or women with sex diverse development 💪🏻

Argument by assertion and denial. If you had more time we'd get the full house.

I'm starting to wonder about you as a poster. I don't think you're a troll, but there's no way you don't see the doublethink, dishonesty and sheer absurdity of your posts. It simply isn't possible. I think that for some reason, you are very emotionally invested in what you think championing this cause says about you as a person, and that emotional drive is strong enough to exist in your head alongside the knowledge that everything you say is absurd. It's the very nature of doublethink.